[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think you will get torched too bad considering at least half of the fanbase agrees with you


it was in incredibly bad faith for Gaudreau and his agent to negotiate and make demands only to pull the chute when his astronomical counter offer was accepted by the Flames at the 11th hour...especially when his other offers weren't even in the ballpark and didn't include his childhood team.

source?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

source?

Its been widely reported that the Flames met Gaudreau's counter to the T and thought they had the deal done

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its been widely reported that the Flames met Gaudreau's counter to the T and thought they had the deal done

Yeah that was the story, and I believe it came straight from Tre, if I'm not mistaken.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Nah, people woulda been pissed if he decided earlier, too. "He didn't even let the Flames make their best final offer!!!!!!!"

No, I don't think so. If he decided early and Flames can trade him for some gain, fans would be ok, just like Tkachuk trade.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

And the whole Flames met his demands thing is an unsubstantiated CP myth. Steinberg reported it was a full day of 'grinding' after Johnny's counter. Did the grind end with Tree giving in entirely? Perhaps...but there are a ton of ways that could have played out.

Was it? I remember reading Tre was saying on Twitter that the Flames met his offer then he tell the team he's testing FA in the last minute.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Hell, Johnny could have informed the team he was going to test the market, and that's what cause the Flames to cave on the remaining sticking points after that. Which is a subtle, but meaningful difference.

Now this could be myth on your end.

[dino7c]

“I always kind of dreamed about playing a tad closer to home,” Gaudreau acknowledged. “But I mean, it didn’t matter where I was signing. Our decision was it was best for us not to go back to Calgary and then we decided to figure out what was the best option for us. Columbus was right up on the top of the list.”

this revaluation just dawned on him at the last minute lol

If you want to give this hero a standing ovation go for it...not me

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

“I always kind of dreamed about playing a tad closer to home,” Gaudreau acknowledged. “But I mean, it didn’t matter where I was signing. Our decision was it was best for us not to go back to Calgary and then we decided to figure out what was the best option for us. Columbus was right up on the top of the list.”

this revaluation just dawned on him at the last minute lol

If you want to give this hero a standing ovation go for it...not me

Now that is pretty stupid for him to say that bold part. He could have just stop at "I always kind of dreamed about playing a tad closer to home." There is no need to say the bold part.

[Sandman]

I think his plan was to play closer to home all along, ever since the beginning of his career here. He may have had second thoughts this season because of how well Sutter had him playing, but this was the plan all along.

He was right to have second thoughts, and I would bet he never comes near 100 pts again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Nah, people woulda been pissed if he decided earlier, too. "He didn't even let the Flames make their best final offer!!!!!!!"

And the whole Flames met his demands thing is an unsubstantiated CP myth. Steinberg reported it was a full day of 'grinding' after Johnny's counter. Did the grind end with Tree giving in entirely? Perhaps...but there are a ton of ways that could have played out. Hell, Johnny could have informed the team he was going to test the market, and that's what cause the Flames to cave on the remaining sticking points after that. Which is a subtle, but meaningful difference.

Its been reported by Francis and others and Tree himself eluded to it...we know 10.5x8 was offered...considering what he settled for that was obviously more than met his expectations.


You defend Gaudreau and Tkachuk more now than you ever did when they actually played for the team lol go figure

[Sandman]

Yup, it's fact. We offered 10.5.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

“I always kind of dreamed about playing a tad closer to home,” Gaudreau acknowledged. “But I mean, it didn’t matter where I was signing. Our decision was it was best for us not to go back to Calgary and then we decided to figure out what was the best option for us. Columbus was right up on the top of the list.”

this revaluation just dawned on him at the last minute lol

If you want to give this hero a standing ovation go for it...not me

A hero? My God man, get over it. He played some pretty good hockey while he was here, that’s why he will be applauded. No reason to take him leaving so personally. You may have noticed these things happen in pro sports.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A hero? My God man, get over it. He played some pretty good hockey while he was here, that’s why he will be applauded. No reason to take him leaving so personally. You may have noticed these things happen in pro sports.

there will be a bit of both...as you can clearly see in this thread

and for the 10000th time its the way he left not that he left...negotiated until the very last minute then

"doesn't matter where just best not Calgary" his words...makes sense for a guy who negotiated in good faith and said he wanted to come back

you may have noticed that guys get booed in pro sports...I'm not suggesting slurs or attacking his family ect. I'm suggesting anyone who buys a ticket has the right to boo him and would be justified IMO.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by dino7c

“I always kind of dreamed about playing a tad closer to home,” Gaudreau acknowledged. “But I mean, it didn’t matter where I was signing. Our decision was it was best for us not to go back to Calgary and then we decided to figure out what was the best option for us. Columbus was right up on the top of the list.”

this revaluation just dawned on him at the last minute lol

If you want to give this hero a standing ovation go for it...not me

There are different ways to interpret this quote. I don't think Johnny is the best communicator, but he has always seemed genuine to me. I take the quote to mean that he finally decided it was best to play in the States (likely due to border issues during Covid/when his dad was sick). That meant that he was not coming back to Calgary. Unfortunately, the way he phrased it, it just sounds like he didn't like playing in Calgary and wanted to leave instead of him wanting to be closer (and have easier access) to family.

To me, the quote as you've interpreted it is overly harsh, and not characteristic of how Johnny talks. Again, just my opinion.

[bdubbs]

We need to get uncle Jim some tickets or something. Would be awesome to have him here for some Flames games this season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by psyang

There are different ways to interpret this quote. I don't think Johnny is the best communicator, but he has always seemed genuine to me. I take the quote to mean that he finally decided it was best to play in the States (likely due to border issues during Covid/when his dad was sick). That meant that he was not coming back to Calgary. Unfortunately, the way he phrased it, it just sounds like he didn't like playing in Calgary and wanted to leave instead of him wanting to be closer (and have easier access) to family.

To me, the quote as you've interpreted it is overly harsh, and not characteristic of how Johnny talks. Again, just my opinion.

I posted his exact quote...he had to know that question was coming

take it however you like, it certainly didn't sound like a guy who was as close to coming back to Calgary as he let on
I personally think him and his family and likely the agent knew they were moving on long before the final hours and pushed Calgary to the limit for leverage on his UFA contract.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

We need to get uncle Jim some tickets or something. Would be awesome to have him here for some Flames games this season.

How about the Columbus game in January. He can join in on booing Johnny.

[calgarywinning]

Overall, denouncing or booing Johnny Gaudreau is such a baby play.

Yes, when you boo; it's because you are hurt deep down, so that is okay, but it's such a poor expression in a grown up world.

Johnny gave his all while he was in Calgary. More importantly he was such a great player to watch during these times, which were the prime of his career. He did things on ice; that you could barely understand if you watched him in real life let alone the flat screen.

It's these swinging polarizations that forget and burn everything to the ground. Could he have had a nicer exit, absolutely. Did Darryl forge him into a 2 way player and make his game even better, absolutely.

But here's the thing. If you are in the camp of not saluting a great player who really did compete for the crest on his Jersey, what signal are you sending to future players? As a fanbase do you want to be toxic? Is that the signal. Or can we all just stand down, and say no matter how the team has performed Johnny was a night in, night out draw and crowd pleaser based on his special gift, and he never took it for granted.

Then we slide into the coulda, shoulda woulda arguments. The idea he was given everything. The fact is we were given everything from a fanbase and management point of view as to what Treliving was able to pull off.

What's been kicking around my mind, the last couple weeks is how baseball teams are able to handle these high profile players, contracts and the fit is more rubicon then loyalty or sticking with the "man". The Jay's are a prime example of high level movement to get a combo that fires.

As a team, when Gaudreau had a terrible season, we stuck with him instead of trade-blocking him and he performed. Flip a coin....

After the loss of Gaudreau and Tcachuk, I think our organization became stronger and grittier, in that loyalty is not a trait to build a winning hockey team. It's a trait of good people in general. Now that management is able to see the expediency of making hard moves; sacrifice and going against better virtues in the sake of the right choice of strengthening the team in it's deficiencies.

Finally, you have a squad in general that did play like a team. They didn't succeed but they certainly held us captivated. When I think of a humble Monahan... I ask, if you think you are a fan, and you have respect, do you think Monahan would want you to boo Gaudreau?

When you are in that tunnel as a fan, and you can accept your players the way that Gaudreau and Monahan hugged, then you get it. There is a human factor to the game.

[FlamesAddiction]

A lot will depend on where the Flames are at that point of the season. If they are doing well, I think most people are going to be pretty indifferent to Gaudreau. If the team is struggling, it may get a little mean.

After getting Huberdeau, Weegar, and Kadri, I pretty much forgot about Gaudreau. I was never really upset with Gaudreau personally, it just sucked as a fan to lose him. It's such a shame that we'll never get to see what that line could have done in the future. It was a historically good line with all three players peaking at just the right time.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Overall, denouncing or booing Johnny Gaudreau is such a baby play.

Yes, when you boo; it's because you are hurt deep down, so that is okay, but it's such a poor expression in a grown up world.

Johnny gave his all while he was in Calgary. More importantly he was such a great player to watch during these times, which were the prime of his career. He did things on ice; that you could barely understand if you watched him in real life let alone the flat screen.

It's these swinging polarizations that forget and burn everything to the ground. Could he have had a nicer exit, absolutely. Did Darryl forge him into a 2 way player and make his game even better, absolutely.

But here's the thing. If you are in the camp of not saluting a great player who really did compete for the crest on his Jersey, what signal are you sending to future players? As a fanbase do you want to be toxic? Is that the signal. Or can we all just stand down, and say no matter how the team has performed Johnny was a night in, night out draw and crowd pleaser based on his special gift, and he never took it for granted.

Then we slide into the coulda, shoulda woulda arguments. The idea he was given everything. The fact is we were given everything from a fanbase and management point of view as to what Treliving was able to pull off.

What's been kicking around my mind, the last couple weeks is how baseball teams are able to handle these high profile players, contracts and the fit is more rubicon then loyalty or sticking with the "man". The Jay's are a prime example of high level movement to get a combo that fires.

As a team, when Gaudreau had a terrible season, we stuck with him instead of trade-blocking him and he performed. Flip a coin....

After the loss of Gaudreau and Tcachuk, I think our organization became stronger and grittier, in that loyalty is not a trait to build a winning hockey team. It's a trait of good people in general. Now that management is able to see the expediency of making hard moves; sacrifice and going against better virtues in the sake of the right choice of strengthening the team in it's deficiencies.

Finally, you have a squad in general that did play like a team. They didn't succeed but they certainly held us captivated. When I think of a humble Monahan... I ask, if you think you are a fan, and you have respect, do you think Monahan would want you to boo Gaudreau?

When you are in that tunnel as a fan, and you can accept your players the way that Gaudreau and Monahan hugged, then you get it. There is a human factor to the game.

Did he really give us his all? Or did he give it his all in his UFA contract year? He didn't care about setting the franchise back years, even into a rebuild, so why should we respect him? He could have easily asked to be traded a long time ago, or even at the end of this year-he could have worked out a sign-and-trade. Not likely, but who knows? Tkachuk at least gave Tre time and notice to work out a deal.

Like I said earlier, I wonder how much better we would have fared in the playoffs the last few times we've been there, if our 2 best players actually wanted to be here.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Did he really give us his all? Or did he give it his all in his UFA contract year? He didn't care about setting the franchise back years, even into a rebuild, so why should we respect him? He could have easily asked to be traded a long time ago, or even at the end of this year-he could have worked out a sign-and-trade. Not likely, but who knows? Tkachuk at least gave Tre time and notice to work out a deal.

Like I said earlier, I wonder how much better we would have fared in the playoffs the last few times we've been there, if our 2 best players actually wanted to be here.

The concept that he conspired to screw us over is juvenile. I understand the hurt. Here's the thing, the CBA and player rights kick in and these guys get to go to free agency. You could say Brad could have traded him earlier, but the rebound year put us in major contention.

Then, as my post says, we certainly had a nine lives cat landing.

We'll put you in the toxic fanbase category. Lol. Simply no enjoyment from the Gaudreau years is your vote.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

The concept that he conspired to screw us over is juvenile. I understand the hurt. Here's the thing, the CBA and player rights kick in and these guys get to go to free agency. You could say Brad could have traded him earlier, but the rebound year put us in major contention.

Then, as my post says, we certainly had a nine lives cat landing.

We'll put you in the toxic fanbase category. Lol. Simply no enjoyment from the Gaudreau years is your vote.

I got a lot of enjoyment from watching Johnny, but at the end of the day, I am a FLAMES fan first, rather than just a JG fan, and he could have handled this differently. Eric Francis and Ryan Leslie told us years ago that we wasn't going to sign another contract with the Flames, and people should have listened- true, Francis pushes the downside all the time, but he wouldn't state it the way he did without knowing something. Less so for Leslie. That's just my opinion. For the record, I will still cheer Tkachuk- until he screws with my team on the ice.