2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

32 points in 75 AHL games, even for a defenceman, is not that special.

The top 6 defencemen on the Flames' depth chart right now, and the points they scored last season:

Andersson, 50
Hanifin, 48
Weegar, 44
Kylington, 31
Tanev, 28
Zadorov, 22

Which one of those players do you move to make room for Hague?

First of all, 32 points in 75 AHL games is quite impressive for a defenseman who is 20 years old, considering most D-men are still in junior. It's more impressive for a player of that size and skating ability. Rasmus Andersson had 22 pts in 54 games (0.41 ppg), and Kylington had 27 pts in 60 games (0.45 ppg). Hague had 0.43 ppg. Doesn't matter anyway, because different players develop in different ways, especially when they have different skillsets.

Who would I trade to make room for Hague? Most likely anyone not named Tanev, Andersson, or Weegar. I would also consider moving Hanifin. Not sure what VGK would want for Hague, but they likely wouldn't trade with us anyway, nor would they want any of our D, so it's moot anyway.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sandman

First of all, 32 points in 75 AHL games is quite impressive for a defenseman who is 20 years old, considering most D-men are still in junior.

It's less impressive when that defenceman is now 23 and his offence hasn't particularly improved.

Who would I trade to make room for Hague? Most likely anyone not named Tanev, Andersson, or Weegar. I would also consider moving Hanifin.

So you'd move a 25-year-old, top-pairing NHL defenceman who just scored 48 points, to make room for a 23-year-old third-pairing defenceman who once got 32 points in the AHL? All righty then.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's less impressive when that defenceman is now 23 and his offence hasn't particularly improved.



So you'd move a 25-year-old, top-pairing NHL defenceman who just scored 48 points, to make room for a 23-year-old third-pairing defenceman who once got 32 points in the AHL? All righty then.

He's a 23 year old who is Chris Pronger sized, physical, defensively responsible, and has offense that hasn't been tapped. On a Darryl Sutter-coached team, there's a huge possibility that he sees his potential.

I said I would consider moving him for Hanifin. Hanifin was a 48 point defenseman last year, but he likely won't be this year. He'll probably go back to playing with Tanev, and getting 30-35 points. If Sutter got his hands on this kid, he would be terrifying!

[Poe969]

I would also consider moving Hanifin, not straight up for Hague, but in the right deal I'd consider trading anyone. If Hanifin brought back a young cost controlled top 6 RW and Hague, or something you could package together to get Hague, you make that deal.

[Sofa GM]

Hague + Marchessault to CGY
Hanifin + 2023 2nd to VGK

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Hague + Marchessault to CGY
Hanifin + 2023 2nd to VGK

This astounded me.

Hockey Writers best defense pairs.

#2 Kjillington/Tanev
#5 Weeger and Ekblad
Honourable mention Hanafin/Andersson

#2 ?

Is it one Hockey Writer or the group?

Everyone's forever trying to "trade hanfin" and I don't get the hanafin hate at all. Some lists have the Hanafin/Andersson as high as 3rd best.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

This astounded me.

Hockey Writers best defense pairs.

#2 Kjillington/Tanev
#5 Weeger and Ekblad
Honourable mention Hanafin/Andersson

#2 ?

Is it one Hockey Writer or the group?

Everyone's forever trying to "trade hanfin" and I don't get the hanafin hate at all. Some lists have the Hanafin/Andersson as high as 3rd best.

I haven’t seen one example of Hanifin “hate”.

The reason it is brought up all the time is it is a position of strength in the team, he’s a stud, and his contract is awesome. He’s super valuable, and everyone proposing to trade him knows that. That’s why it’s a conversation item.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

This astounded me.

Hockey Writers best defense pairs.

#2 Kjillington/Tanev
#5 Weeger and Ekblad
Honourable mention Hanafin/Andersson

#2 ?

Is it one Hockey Writer or the group?

Everyone's forever trying to "trade hanfin" and I don't get the hanafin hate at all. Some lists have the Hanafin/Andersson as high as 3rd best.

Certainly no Hanifin hate at all. He is just a really really good asset that could fetch a hefty return to help fill out a larger positional need

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

32 points in 75 AHL games, even for a defenceman, is not that special.

The top 6 defencemen on the Flames' depth chart right now, and the points they scored last season:

Andersson, 50
Hanifin, 48
Weegar, 44
Kylington, 31
Tanev, 28
Zadorov, 22

Which one of those players do you move to make room for Hague?

Good question, BUT this guy is young, 6'6" and 230 lbs...not too sure how many current NHL D of his youth and size are putting up 30+ points? You are right, point for point exchange makes no sense. The package might.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I dream of the day that cap hits are spoken of only in cap % , for sakes of contract comparison and statistics. Crosby making 8.7 when he won the cup is like a player today making 12m.

It’s like me scoffing at paying a player 12.75m on NHL22… but I am in the year 2040 and the cap is 120m . Equivalent to roughly 8.5m.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The moves made this offseason came because of guys leaving or wanting to leave. You can't discount the fact this was a 50 win team last year, you don't tear it apart just because. Look at Philly that was a disaster.

We have gone through significant change, I don't think the roster requires removing a top pairing defenceman to plug another hole. In the cap world no team is going to be perfect and will have holes. Colorado had a pairing of Jack Johnson and Erik Johnson, and Darren Helm on the 4th line they won the cup.

You keep trading guys and chemistry becomes an issue as well. If we can pickup someone for free thats fine, but I don't think anymore significant moves are required. Someone will have to look at the opportunity and make the best of it.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The moves made this offseason came because of guys leaving or wanting to leave. You can't discount the fact this was a 50 win team last year, you don't tear it apart just because. Look at Philly that was a disaster.

We have gone through significant change, I don't think the roster requires removing a top pairing defenceman to plug another hole. In the cap world no team is going to be perfect and will have holes. Colorado had a pairing of Jack Johnson and Erik Johnson, and Darren Helm on the 4th line they won the cup.

You keep trading guys and chemistry becomes an issue as well. If we can pickup someone for free thats fine, but I don't think anymore significant moves are required. Someone will have to look at the opportunity and make the best of it.

Just me, but I had no issue with JG leaving. I agree that his transformation was amazing and he may well continue to play at that level for years...all of that aside. Fact is he is tiny guy that plays on the top line in the NHL matched up against tough shut down players with a job to do. JG is one big hit away from serious injury.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I haven’t seen one example of Hanifin “hate”.

The reason it is brought up all the time is it is a position of strength in the team, he’s a stud, and his contract is awesome. He’s super valuable, and everyone proposing to trade him knows that. That’s why it’s a conversation item.

And yet none of the other 'stud' defensemen are brought up in trade proposals.

Tanev would garner a very nice return. He'll be 33 in December and is coming off shoulder surgery. Also, like Hanifin, he is on a good contract that has only one more year on it. But I don't see his name in proposals.

Weegar is a stud who would generate a huge return. And he is a UFA after this season. No proposals.

Andersson is the same age as Hanifin, is a similar skill level, has a similar cap hit, and his contract has 3 more years after this one. He would probably return more than Hanifin. But no proposals ere either.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And yet none of the other 'stud' defensemen are brought up in trade proposals.

Tanev would garner a very nice return. He'll be 33 in December and is coming off shoulder surgery. Also, like Hanifin, he is on a good contract that has only one more year on it. But I don't see his name in proposals.

Weegar is a stud who would generate a huge return. And he is a UFA after this season. No proposals.

Andersson is the same age as Hanifin, is a similar skill level, has a similar cap hit, and his contract has 3 more years after this one. He would probably return more than Hanifin. But no proposals ere either.

Probably PTSD on the American 🇺🇸 superstar wingers bouncing. I don’t fault anyone putting Hanifin in proposals for that reason, but I also don’t fault anyone defending Hanifin. He seems like he would stay here, for the right price. Personally, I am waiting out this season on what to do with Hanifin, here’s why:

1) No guarantee Weegar stays.
2) Kylington’s game could become stagnant
3) Tanev has an injury history

Hanifin’s salary demands could also be outlandish, which could be an easy boot out the door. Or, Kylington forced our hand. I do think we’ve been pretty fortunate with injuries (excluding the postseason), but regular season we’ve been pretty fortunate. Assuming the law of average occurs, I could very well see an injury to a defenseman very early. And we’d be crying for Hanifin back if we traded him away.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Probably PTSD on the American 🇺🇸 superstar wingers bouncing. I don’t fault anyone putting Hanifin in proposals for that reason, but I also don’t fault anyone defending Hanifin. He seems like he would stay here, for the right price. Personally, I am waiting out this season on what to do with Hanifin, here’s why:

1) No guarantee Weegar stays.
2) Kylington’s game could become stagnant
3) Tanev has an injury history

Hanifin’s salary demands could also be outlandish, which could be an easy boot out the door. Or, Kylington forced our hand. I do think we’ve been pretty fortunate with injuries (excluding the postseason), but regular season we’ve been pretty fortunate. Assuming the law of average occurs, I could very well see an injury to a defenseman very early. And we’d be crying for Hanifin back if we traded him away.

Agree 100%

This isn't the time to trade one of the top 4. Let's see what happens with Weegar, Tanev and Kylington. Also, let's see if any of the other guys (Valimaki, Mackey, Meloche) are ready to climb the ladder.

If all goes well, then great, we have an embarrassment of riches and we can move someone. If not, we'll be glad we didn't

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Hague + Marchessault to CGY
Hanifin + 2023 2nd to VGK

I would 100% do a Hague/Marchessault for Hanifin swap

[Sandman]

I just want to make it clear that I wasn't proposing Hanifin for Hague straight up, necessarily. This is a thread for speculation, so I'm just talking. Hague is a player I like, and I believe will be a top-pairing guy one day.

At the end of the day, I think the defense should be left alone, at least the top-4, unless something unbelieveable comes along-and I've said as much many times in here. No Hanifin hate here.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And yet none of the other 'stud' defensemen are brought up in trade proposals.

Tanev would garner a very nice return. He'll be 33 in December and is coming off shoulder surgery. Also, like Hanifin, he is on a good contract that has only one more year on it. But I don't see his name in proposals.

Weegar is a stud who would generate a huge return. And he is a UFA after this season. No proposals.

Andersson is the same age as Hanifin, is a similar skill level, has a similar cap hit, and his contract has 3 more years after this one. He would probably return more than Hanifin. But no proposals ere either.

None of them approach the trade value of Hanifin. Except Rasmus. Because of course his contract is more valuable to the flames than trading him.

This isn’t complicated… Hanifin is valuable and we have a hole in the top 6. He’s due a doubling of his cap hit in 2 seasons. He makes sense to trade. Not saying they need too, or I want them too, but he makes a lot of sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

None of them approach the trade value of Hanifin. Except Rasmus. Because of course his contract is more valuable to the flames than trading him.

This isn’t complicated… Hanifin is valuable and we have a hole in the top 6. He’s due a doubling of his cap hit in 2 seasons. He makes sense to trade. Not saying they need too, or I want them too, but he makes a lot of sense.

The Flames' window is now. If he is worth a doubling of his cap hit, he's probably a guy we want in the lineup

[Sandman]

For some reason, in the back of my mind I consider Andersson to be much less expendable than Hanifin. There's not a big salary discrepancy, I just think that perhaps Rasmus can play any style of game, and shows up more in bigger games-maybe a bigger will to win. I can see the top pairing being Weegar-Andersson, and the second pairing being Hanifin-Tanev.