I’m not a very political person but it’s very odd to me the conservatives would choose such an extreme voice in Poilievre as their representative. Justin is I’d say, very left wing, but the world has generally shifted more to that side as well. I can’t say I’m a fan of Justin at all, but Poilievre really does dogwhistle to the extreme conservative idiots of the country. How do they expect to win over some people voting for Liberals and NDP en masse when he’s so polarizing to the point of being Trumpish. He has a cult following with a bunch, no doubt but he isn’t winning anyone over who are on the borderline. Patrick Brown was a good candidate until they shat on his reputation. That party is messed.
The first 15 seconds of this video is an example of where Pierre Poilievre loses me. I'm all for less taxes and fiscal restraint in government. But I struggle to support someone who wants to be the leader of our country when they use words like "woke" and "radical". It's ridiculous and unbecoming of a leader, and frankly I can't take him seriously. It speaks to someone who has a list of buzz words in his head and is trying his best to say these buzz words to appease a certain crowd. And I'm not in that crowd. As such, I don't feel like he speaks to me.
Based on some of the posters in this thread and their responses to Poilievre, I'd wager to bet that some flat out hate his use of rhetoric like this while others like him for this very reason. It's very polarizing and divisive language. Any notion that Poilievre won't be divisive is flatly wrong. He's proved it time and time again, that this is how he makes waves in politics. It actually reminds me a lot of Jason Kenney. I'm not saying it won't be successful. I'm just suggesting that I don't like it.
His dismissive language of the Liberal/NDP partnership is then immediately highlighted by hypocrisy when he says the Conservative Party under his leadership will be open to working with other parties. Ok? How do you take this guy seriously? So, Liberals and NDP working together is a "woke, radical coalition" but the Conservatives are open to working with other parties too? How am I to see the leadership qualities in this? It comes across as juvenile and ridiculous.
Please don't misinterpret this as I somehow support or like Trudeau. I think they're both entirely unlikable politicians, albeit for different reasons.
*I can't figure out how to embed the video.
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Even Bill Morneau criticizes the Trudeau government for not focusing on economic growth and for letting politics get in the way of progress.
To me, business and money are one of a number of items that a government needs to worry about, and where the importance of any individual item can cause conflict.
Trudeau and the Liberals aren’t caring enough about business competitiveness (outside of their chosen handout recipients).
The Conservatives are acting like it is the only topic that matters.
If there is one thing that unites us all (conservatives, liberals, NDPs, maybe even greens) it is that we are aware that the vast majority of politicians, especially the ones in leadership roles, are out of touch with the populace and do not understand the day to day struggles of the working class.
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Perception:
Lefty: everyone is racist, whether you know it or not, abortions should be legal a month after birth, gender is a social construct, biweekly vaccination boosters for everyone above the age of 18 months, praying to a shrine of Justin Trudeau every night before bed.
Righty: racist, hateful, ignorant, stupid, white supremacist, book-burning corporate stooges who just wanna watch the world burn.
Reality:
Lefty: Some problems are beyond the capacity of private individuals to deal with and require collective action.
Righty: My list of problems I want the government solving is shorter than yours, and I prefer to solve as many of my problems on my own as possible.
ultra-reality
Everyone: I want the government to solve the issues that i only care about and only in a way that benefits me
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To me, business and money are one of a number of items that a government needs to worry about, and where the importance of any individual item can cause conflict.
Trudeau and the Liberals aren’t caring enough about business competitiveness (outside of their chosen handout recipients).
The Conservatives are acting like it is the only topic that matters.
IMO both approaches are wrong.
And its okay to think that, IMO you're probably right.
However, a lot of what we want in our society could also happen organically.
We want to see people treated better, better education, better health care...but a lot of this stuff comes organically from prosperous societies.
Because at the moment what we are essentially doing is this:
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I’m not a very political person but it’s very odd to me the conservatives would choose such an extreme voice in Poilievre as their representative. Justin is I’d say, very left wing, but the world has generally shifted more to that side as well. I can’t say I’m a fan of Justin at all, but Poilievre really does dogwhistle to the extreme conservative idiots of the country. How do they expect to win over some people voting for Liberals and NDP en masse when he’s so polarizing to the point of being Trumpish. He has a cult following with a bunch, no doubt but he isn’t winning anyone over who are on the borderline. Patrick Brown was a good candidate until they shat on his reputation. That party is messed.
Pierre is extreme, but I don't think it is left/right type extreme. It is things like "fire the BoC for not doing their job" or "defund the CBC because they cost over a billion and are mostly just a government propaganda machine as a result", this is the type of extreme I see. He isn't wrong, and it is extreme, Canada is extremely messed up right now. I think PP is concerned about all Canadians, young people who can't find houses, seniors affected by inflation, natives being treated unfairly, immigrants not being able to work in their professions where they are trained, everyday people struggling because of high taxes and inflation. I don't think his agenda is left/right influenced, he just wants to do the job and fix the problems. This appeals to sensible people, and hopefully the left will quit trying to label PP and just give him a chance... If he screws up then you can call him out on it, but I think this left-wing anger and paranoia is a bit premature.
Pierre is extreme, but I don't think it is left/right type extreme. It is things like "fire the BoC for not doing their job" or "defund the CBC because they cost over a billion and are mostly just a government propaganda machine as a result", this is the type of extreme I see. He isn't wrong, and it is extreme, Canada is extremely messed up right now. I think PP is concerned about all Canadians, young people who can't find houses, seniors affected by inflation, natives being treated unfairly, immigrants not being able to work in their professions where they are trained, everyday people struggling because of high taxes and inflation. I don't think his agenda is left/right influenced, he just wants to do the job and fix the problems. This appeals to sensible people, and hopefully the left will quit trying to label PP and just give him a chance... If he screws up then you can call him out on it, but I think this left-wing anger and paranoia is a bit premature.
That's what they said about Kenney, and look how well that worked out for Albertans...
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Pierre is extreme, but I don't think it is left/right type extreme. It is things like "fire the BoC for not doing their job" or "defund the CBC because they cost over a billion and are mostly just a government propaganda machine as a result", this is the type of extreme I see. He isn't wrong, and it is extreme, Canada is extremely messed up right now. I think PP is concerned about all Canadians, young people who can't find houses, seniors affected by inflation, natives being treated unfairly, immigrants not being able to work in their professions where they are trained, everyday people struggling because of high taxes and inflation. I don't think his agenda is left/right influenced, he just wants to do the job and fix the problems. This appeals to sensible people, and hopefully the left will quit trying to label PP and just give him a chance... If he screws up then you can call him out on it, but I think this left-wing anger and paranoia is a bit premature.
It's really not. You can go back throughout the the last century or so and find that every generation had significant struggles. Our struggles now, while important and needing of attention, are not Canada's darkest hour or anything. Suggesting we are "messed up" is disingenuous and wrong. Canada certainly has its issues, but if PP become PM one day his government will also have its issues. It won't mean Canada is messed up. It's that kind of divisive language from PP supporters that is so disconcerting and why I struggle to take him or his supporters seriously.
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Pierre is extreme, but I don't think it is left/right type extreme. It is things like "fire the BoC for not doing their job" or "defund the CBC because they cost over a billion and are mostly just a government propaganda machine as a result", this is the type of extreme I see. He isn't wrong, and it is extreme, Canada is extremely messed up right now. I think PP is concerned about all Canadians, young people who can't find houses, seniors affected by inflation, natives being treated unfairly, immigrants not being able to work in their professions where they are trained, everyday people struggling because of high taxes and inflation. I don't think his agenda is left/right influenced, he just wants to do the job and fix the problems. This appeals to sensible people, and hopefully the left will quit trying to label PP and just give him a chance... If he screws up then you can call him out on it, but I think this left-wing anger and paranoia is a bit premature.
You literally described populism here, which is what many of his detractors have been saying about him. No sure you're helping non-PP supporters see him in a different light.
You literally described populism here, which is what many of his detractors have been saying about him. No sure you're helping non-PP supporters see him in a different light.
If you think everything has to be left/right, that is just too bad, and this is one of the "extremely messed up" things with Canada right now. This whole left/right battle was amplified by Trudeau and the way he groups people and sets them against each other while he sits back and laughs at us and goes surfing on our dime. I find PP far less divisive and much more inclusive then Trudeau.
Kenney also courted the far-right for his own political gain.
Kenney also uses catchphrases such as "woke" and "radical".
Kenney also plays up the fear/hatred of "elites".
Not to mention the same conservative policies (small government, tax cuts, etc.)
Hell, PP worked as a political staffer for Kenney back in the day. And PP's campaign is headed by John Baird who has incredibly close ties to Kenney. PP and Kenney also worked together in Harper's government.
I mean, yes, they are two different people, but they're definitely similar is MANY ways and have close connections to one another. Doesn't mean PP will make the same mistakes, but it also doesn't bode well if you think Kenney was an idiot.
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