Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol, you can't be serious. Poilievre is a far-right nutbag with zero charisma, and I don't see how that will resonate with anyone except other far-right nutbags.

The beauty of PP is that he isn't playing this left/right game. He is focusing on what is best for Canada and Canadians and doing a job - he is aware that he is working for us, unlike Trudeau who is just blindly following some woke ideology and to hell with what is good for Canada and who cares about Canadians. Trudeau has never understood that he works for Canadians, he thinks he is a king that Canadians need to worship.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I don't think I've ever seen you so upset, Pierre has really gotten to you.

Nice try. Just pointing out how baffling it is people like you are blinded to reality. Pierre will not make our country better. That's what it comes down to. You can believe his BS all you want, some of us are more resistant to falling for snake oil, I guess.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The beauty of PP is that he isn't playing this left/right game. He is focusing on what is best for Canada and Canadians and doing a job - he is aware that he is working for us, unlike Trudeau who is just blindly following some woke ideology and to hell with what is good for Canada and who cares about Canadians. Trudeau has never understood that he works for Canadians, he thinks he is a king that Canadians need to worship.

LOL.

Spoiler!

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nice try. Just pointing out how baffling it is people like you are blinded to reality. Pierre will not make our country better. That's what it comes down to. You can believe his BS all you want, some of us are more resistant to falling for snake oil, I guess.

I think you are wrong. It won't be hard for any next prime minister to make the country better since Trudeau has so badly failed at every level. But it will take time and it is going to hurt a bit.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

PP is pretty unknown - he does have a chance to define himself over the next few years. But I suspect his best chance to winning is just to have Trudeau and the Liberals become unpalatable to the rest of the country and he can win a protest vote - which is not a completely unlikely thing.

Well yeah. I don’t think anyone believes PP will be swept to power in a wave of popular enthusiasm for his persona. By the next election the Liberals will have been in power for 10 years. Trudeau’s approval ratings are low. If the Canadian economy is struggling, the Liberals will get voted out, and the Conservatives will win by default.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I think you are wrong. It won't be hard for any next prime minister to make the country better since Trudeau has so badly failed at every level. But it will take time and it is going to hurt a bit.

Making excuses already eh?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I think you are wrong. It won't be hard for any next prime minister to make the country better since Trudeau has so badly failed at every level. But it will take time and it is going to hurt a bit.

sounds like someone dreams of Pirate Mr. Dressup every night!

Living rent free in your head while subleasing to the Cons. lol

He is a sexy beast though..

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It certainly won't be pretty trying to cleanup the Trudeau liberal mess, I don't envy any government that follows a Trudeau government.

You really think BoC has been doing a great job worthy of massive bonuses and no accountability? When people fail at important jobs there needs to be accountability not reward.

You guys need to stop with the Bitcoin and convoy garbage arguments, those are so twisted and over done, can't you think up something new to divide Canadians on?

Just to point out that this isn't garbage, it negatively affected him in his own riding. See page 13:

https://old.ipolitics.ca/wp-content/..._15_2022-1.pdf

66% of people took a less favourable view of him, in his own riding, after his convoy antics.

Page 11 shows 49% of people in that riding would be less liekly to vote for Conservatives if PP were leader, vs 38% saying more likely.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I think you are wrong. It won't be hard for any next prime minister to make the country better since Trudeau has so badly failed at every level. But it will take time and it is going to hurt a bit.

Where do you see the hurt happening most with his policies?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Where do you see the hurt happening most with his policies?

Mostly the poor and middle class. As with most Conservatives these days he will spout some nonsense about the economy and then go all in on trickle down.

I think all of the far right social issues are mostly boogey-men. The real danger of conservative governments is to anymore who makes less than $100,000. Those are the people who are going to feel the hurt.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Mostly the poor and middle class. As with most Conservatives these days he will spout some nonsense about the economy and then go all in on trickle down.

I think all of the far right social issues are mostly boogey-men. The real danger of conservative governments is to anymore who makes less than $100,000. Those are the people who are going to feel the hurt.

Ya, I'm curious what a Conservative supporter thinks they will be...

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just to point out that this isn't garbage, it negatively affected him in his own riding. See page 13:

https://old.ipolitics.ca/wp-content/..._15_2022-1.pdf

66% of people took a less favourable view of him, in his own riding, after his convoy antics.

Page 11 shows 49% of people in that riding would be less liekly to vote for Conservatives if PP were leader, vs 38% saying more likely.

It depends if you view his support of the convoy as supporting Canadians right to protest while denouncing any illegal activities or hate. Or if you believe the Trudeau legacy media smear campaign of misinformation.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It depends if you view his support of the convoy as supporting Canadians right to protest while denouncing any illegal activities or hate. Or if you believe the Trudeau legacy media smear campaign of misinformation.

are you real?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It depends if you view his support of the convoy as supporting Canadians right to protest while denouncing any illegal activities or hate. Or if you believe the Trudeau legacy media smear campaign of misinformation.

It wasn’t a protest, it was an illegal occupation.

I really hope posters like yourself and Yoho aren’t paid trolls because no matter how much you’re making doing that it’d put me in the awkward position of having to say a worker is being overpaid.

[Jason14h]

In reality it probably comes down to:

If we are in a recession, have job losses, high interest rates, inflation and crashing homes prices then PP will blame the Liberals and has a decent chance to win as these are what most people care about and most people don't pay much attention to anything else.

They will hear sound bites that Trudeau ruined the economy and PP will bring back jobs, lower inflation, etc

If Canada is doing well economically the Liberals will trot out how they saved the economy after Covid.

As much as people think the other issues play a big part, usually people vote in their best interests with paying the bills being their #1 concern.

No different then how Trump got elected , PP will follow a similar election strategy

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It wasn’t a protest, it was an illegal occupation.

I really hope posters like yourself and Yoho aren’t paid trolls because no matter how much you’re making doing that it’d put me in the awkward position of having to say a worker is being overpaid.

Trudeau is completely to blame for the way that protest turned out and dragged on. It was shameful how he handled it and tried to use it as yet another tool of Trudeau hate to divide Canadians.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

In reality it probably comes down to:

If we are in a recession, have job losses, high interest rates, inflation and crashing homes prices then PP will blame the Liberals and has a decent chance to win as these are what most people care about and most people don't pay much attention to anything else.

They will hear sound bites that Trudeau ruined the economy and PP will bring back jobs, lower inflation, etc

If Canada is doing well economically the Liberals will trot out how they saved the economy after Covid.

As much as people think the other issues play a big part, usually people vote in their best interests with paying the bills being their #1 concern.

No different then how Trump got elected , PP will follow a similar election strategy

Yup, an election is still a long ways away. The longer it takes for an election, the more time Trudeau has to keep screwing things up. Things will likely keep getting worse until 2025, especially since Trudeau shows no signs caring what is happening to his country economically or otherwise.

[Looch City]

I view PP at this stage a Danielle Smith-lite edition. He'd have a better chance if the election were this year instead of 2025.

The more time passes, the crazier #### he'll say and want to do (channeling the crazy backwards Republicans down south).

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

Trudeau is a window licking idiot. But at the moment he is essentially a harmless idiot.

I cannot say the same about Pierre. Trudeau has largely done his damage.

I don't disagree about PP being a bad choice for PM as I've said previously, but I don't understand your comment about Trudeau. Why can he not do more damage? I would think he would be at his most dangerous, if you consider his political ideology damaging, when he knows he's not long for his role and has no significant need to win things anymore.

It seems to me that there's plenty of damage left to do and a track record to suggest he's perfectly capable of doing it.

Originally Posted by jayswin

We're becoming like Americans where a good, warm speech means more than literally anything of substance in a politicians past or present. "Ooooh, but he can give a speech".

Yeah, no. The proof is in his nutty, far right leaning bull**** words that come straight from his own mouth.

That entire speech was the usual CPC new leader "please, Canada, don't take anything I've said over the past few months as anything other than an attempt to win this nomination" speech, with a little "oh, and anything I've done as an MP was really just to get headlines" mixed in. I'm not sure how this works for anyone.

I said I'd give Freeland a chance if she took over the LPC, though, so I guess I'll give PP the same treatment the next 2+ years in terms of what he says and does. Can't vote until 2025 anyway... But I seriously doubt he'll do anything in that time but further establish how ill-suited he is for the PM role. I had to laugh at whoever it was above saying he's "not playing the left right game" - he embodies that game, every bit as much as JT does.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Trudeau is completely to blame for the way that protest turned out and dragged on. It was shameful how he handled it and tried to use it as yet another tool of Trudeau hate to divide Canadians.

Are you saying he should have tried to use the emergencies act earlier seeing how municipal law enforcement is out of his jurisdiction or do you just get paid per post and are just throwing whatever crap you can at a wall to see what sticks?

Asking for a friend.