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[Acey]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Way too early to talk about reintegration. These are a series of calculated, cold blooded murders. I’m all for understanding the full story, but this one may be beyond resolve.


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You must have missed the memo, you cold and callous man. 50+ convictions since age 18, and mass murder.

Life in prison is too cruel for this man.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Way too early to talk about reintegration. These are a series of calculated, cold blooded murders. I’m all for understanding the full story, but this one may be beyond resolve.
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I'm pretty confused this response, as well as Acey's rant above.

We were talking about the fact that this guy was on parole for prior offences, and then broke said parole. I've seen no indication from anyone here that we know details about his parole, past crimes, state of mind, or jack all else, really. We don't know what went wrong, to put it bluntly.

What happens to him now in the justice system - if he makes it there - is a completely different question and I'm baffled how a bunch of you have conflated these two things. Safe to say, I'd say future parole is a million miles away from any relevant consideration at the moment.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Acey

You must have missed the memo, you cold and callous man. 50+ convictions since age 18, and mass murder.

Life in prison is too cruel for this man.

Nobody holds this position so you can stop acting indignant about it and we can continue having a normal conversation.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody holds the position so you can stop acting indignant about it and we can continue having a normal conversation.

You hold that position life in prison is too severe a punishment for anyone and condone the changes made by SCC, do you not? That's what we're discussing here. This is the exact discourse we had in the politics thread so don't make it seem like I'm missing stating anyone's position.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Hopefully the police can figure out what drove these brothers to do this/ a motive.

I’d have to think that all those directly impacted would be frustrated if there is no rationale or all this

What 'rationale' would satisfy the families of victims?

There is no satisfactory answer for committing such a crime that will make the pain of loss dissolve.

It's like a person clamouring for closure after a break up. They think that getting the answer to why will somehow fill the void or help it make sense in a way that brings them peace, but no answer can do that.

It would be good to know the motive to satisfy our curiosity, I guess, but no matter the answer I don't think its going to help this make sense. The answer will probably make it make less sense because it will be something deranged and highly irrational, or merely of blind hatred.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

What happens to him now in the justice system - if he makes it there - is a completely different question

Not really, the sentence will be life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years. There's really no other way it can go.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I'm pretty confused this response, as well as Acey's rant above.

We were talking about the fact that this guy was on parole for prior offences, and then broke said parole. I've seen no indication from anyone here that we know details about his parole, past crimes, state of mind, or jack all else, really. We don't know what went wrong, to put it bluntly.

What happens to him now in the justice system - if he makes it there - is a completely different question and I'm baffled how a bunch of you have conflated these two things. Safe to say, I'd say future parole is a million miles away from any relevant consideration at the moment.

I believe I misunderstood the context of the situation as being then vs now.

For sure - agree with the option for reintegration, and there is strong historical data that supports it. With the right support system and strategy, I very much support that over locking people up and over reliance on policing rather than balancing with support.

We obviously don’t have the full story on what happened here and whether all proper precautions were met. Clearly even if they were, exceptions do happen. The severity of this one is hard to stomach.


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[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Acey

All I can personally do is hope that they're both dead. I've been on this board a long time and I'm borderline shocked that life in prison for heinous crimes is considered an irrational position, especially on a board that previously did not seem brain broken by the left.

If I took a stroll on a street downtown tomorrow asking people if this guy should get life in prison without parole, how many people would say no? Less than zero.

I really wish that people would have the basic critical capacity to not boil anything down to binaries or ultimates. This isn't a left/right debate, and it isn't arguing absolutes.

Life in prison is currently the maximum sentence for first-degree murder in Canada. And should Myles Sanderson be caught alive and processed according to the justice system that is the sentence he will likely face (based on the information and charges).

That charge/sentence is separate from the concept of parole. I'm personally opposed to any system that, by default, restricts any possibility of rehabilitation, such as limitless denial of parole or the death penalty.

Originally Posted by Acey

You must have missed the memo, you cold and callous man. 50+ convictions since age 18, and mass murder.

Life in prison is too cruel for this man.

This is a really poor quality reply, though I may not be as intimately familiar with the accused's criminal history as you are.

Originally Posted by Acey

You hold that position life in prison is too severe a punishment for anyone, do you not? That's what we're discussing here. This is the exact discourse we had in the politics thread so don't make it seem like I'm missing stating anyone's position.

I'm not going to answer for Pepsi, but I'm going to go ahead and answer for Pepsi by saying life in prison is not too severe a sentence. There should merely be the option available to the system to allow for reintegration into society, whatever the stipulations may be.

This doesn't mean that automatic parole review should constitute automatic parole. It should mean that anyone convicted of a crime of this magnitude be afforded the tenets of a system founded in rehabilitation, even if they are proven not qualified for reintegration time and time again.

If a group of experts convene at regularly scheduled intervals, afforded by the law, and conclude that a person is not rehabilitated to the degree deemed acceptable by the standards of said law, said person shall not be offered parole.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Acey

Not really, the sentence will be life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years. There's really no other way it can go.

On multiple murder convictions, a judge can rule that they be served consecutively. If he is conviced of, say, 11 murders, it's possible that there will be no chance of parole for 275 years.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Acey

Not really, the sentence will be life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years. There's really no other way it can go.

Yeah, he'll get the maximum possible. Which is that.

Seems like a bit of an obsession on your part, given that there seem to be more pressing issues at the moment. Like, for instance, that the guy is still presumably on the loose and that people are terrified and possibly in mortal danger.

But - yeah - let's worry about the parole board in twenty-five years right now. After an arrest, trial, imprisonment, and whatever changes in the justice system before that extremely remote and hazy future that you have fixated on.

Weird.

[Just a guy]

To me the question is how do you identify the ones most likely to reoffend, so we don’t have to wait until something like this happens.

As stated 50+ convictions prior to this. To look at it from the victims perspective that is 50+ people negatively affect by one person.

To be clear I am not stating lock them up and throw away the key, but if a person just isn’t getting it, then escalation of some sort needs to happen.

Perhaps creating a mini society (not sure how that could be set up) outside of prison that they need to graduate from prior to release. Fail here return to prison, pass you get to reintegrate.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

On multiple murder convictions, a judge can rule that they be served consecutively. If he is conviced of, say, 11 murders, it's possible that there will be no chance of parole for 275 years.

Wrong. The Supreme Court just struck this down. Now it's parole considerations after 25 years no matter how many people you kill, be it 3 or 50.

That's what I'm taking exception to here.

[opendoor]

Source on the 50+ prior convictions? Hard to take everything without a grain of salt given that we had someone mentioning the murderers being linked to Antifa earlier in the thread.

[Robbob]

I know they got rid of consecutive sentences, but do they not still have the dangerous offender status?

[Acey]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Source on the 50+ prior convictions? Hard to take everything without a grain of salt given that we had someone mentioning the murderers being linked to Antifa earlier in the thread.

Global News

https://twitter.com/user/status/1566984128507133952

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Acey

Wrong. The Supreme Court just struck this down. Now it's parole considerations after 25 years no matter how many people you kill, be it 3 or 50.

That's what I'm taking exception to here.

But the number of people you kill, along with how you act for those 25 years incarcerated, has to have a bearing on how that consideration goes, right?

I'm a huge bleeding heart but I've said before I don't have a problem keeping dangerous people locked up indefinitely. I don't see someone commiting a crime as heinous as this ever seeing daylight again.

[GGG]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9107920/s...ort-shows/amp/

The main problem appears to be the way we sentence people to jail for repeat and habitual offences.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by acey

global news

[twitter]1566984128507133952[/twitter]

Corrected. You want 'tweet' in your brackets instead of 'twitter'.

Yes, I've made the same mistake to the delight of others on CP.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1566984128507133952

[afc wimbledon]

Just to be clear, parole doesnt mean you are getting out of jail early, it stopped meaning that in the mid seventies, what we discovered was that letting people out of jail in stages, day release, half way house with strict oversight and slowly allowing more freedom remarkably seemed to have less reoffending.

When we started giving absolutely everyone parole that was getting out of jail the judges just adjusted the sentences accordingly, a disposition with no parole would get 3 years? with parole the judge gives 4 and a half so you do the 3 and then get parole.

If you get rid of parole the judges will just reduce the sentences accordingly

[Wormius]

Convicted of what? Assaults? Shoplifting?Nobody is going to lock somebody up and not parole them if it’s for some petty prior convictions. The fact that the previous crimes weren’t divulged is telling. Just trying to amp up the “fire the horrible parole board, Canada is a joke!” angst.