[Signing] Canucks sign JT Miller to extension (7 years, $8 mil AAV)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Miller is three years younger than Kadri, signed to the same term and barely higher AAV.

This is a grand slam of a contract for Vancouver.

I don’t really think a million bucks higher is insignificant.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Miller is three years younger than Kadri, signed to the same term and barely higher AAV.

This is a grand slam of a contract for Vancouver.

The AAV is 1m more, isn't it? I would call that a bit more than "barely higher". Especially if you consider over the term.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Miller is three years younger than Kadri, signed to the same term and barely higher AAV.

This is a grand slam of a contract for Vancouver.

It’s less than 2 yrs when the contract kicks in.

It’s 1M more also, it’s a better contract but not as much as some people claim.

[ricardodw]

Looking at the Canucks roster they are a team that is going to claim some body's #7/8/9 D-man that would benefit from AHL playing time.

The Flames might not sign Stone (Vancouver should) because either Valimaki or Mackey or both would have no problem staying on Vancouver's NHL roster.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t really think a million bucks higher is insignificant.

If it’s the difference between keeping the player and losing him, I don’t see how it is.

Miller is a core piece. He led the team in scoring by 29 points.

They couldn’t lose him over money in one of the richest markets in the league.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Looking at the Canucks roster they are a team that is going to claim some body's #7/8/9 D-man that would benefit from AHL playing time.

The Flames might not sign Stone (Vancouver should) because either Valimaki or Mackey or both would have no problem staying on Vancouver's NHL roster.

Their defense is terrible compared to the Flames.

[Juggernaught]

Their defense is terrible compared to the Flames.

No one will argue that but I don't think the Canuck defense you see on paper today is the one that's going to be there by Xmas. The Miller signing (or trading) had to be accomplished before other dominos could fall. They now have a wealth of top nine forwards and can afford to see how things shake out in camp to decide who they want/can move out. They could move a player(s) for picks/prospects to create cap space and then seek out defensive help or look for a good old fashioned hockey trade straight up. I predict a fair bit of movement in the next couple months...maybe it's good that they're leasing not buying?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Juggernaught

No one will argue that but I don't think the Canuck defense you see on paper today is the one that's going to be there by Xmas. The Miller signing (or trading) had to be accomplished before other dominos could fall. They now have a wealth of top nine forwards and can afford to see how things shake out in camp to decide who they want/can move out. They could move a player(s) for picks/prospects to create cap space and then seek out defensive help or look for a good old fashioned hockey trade straight up. I predict a fair bit of movement in the next couple months...maybe it's good that they're leasing not buying?

They have the 4th or 5th best group of top nine forwards in the Pacific division. The lineup is likely long to grab Jason Dickson for a top 4 dman.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Their defense is terrible compared to the Flames.

And?

Their core players are all between 22-28 years old.

Their core players are good.

Build around them.

You can’t just rely on winning a lottery and getting the best player in the world.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Canucks are a weird one.
I could see them catching fire and competing for the division or equally see them faltering like last season.

They're a bit like the Flames before last season where it was hard to predict what you'd get.

I think Petterson has to show up all season for them or he could be moved by the trade deadline.
The other thing about this Miller signing is he's quite tradable on this if they suck again and they go more rebuild.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If it’s the difference between keeping the player and losing him, I don’t see how it is.

Miller is a core piece. He led the team in scoring by 29 points.

They couldn’t lose him over money in one of the richest markets in the league.

You were comparing the contract to Kadri. Not on its own, in their team makeup.

But anyway, AAV impact is never about what the player is worth. It’s about what that million bucks doesn’t let you do later.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And?

Their core players are all between 22-28 years old.

Their core players are good.

Build around them.

You can’t just rely on winning a lottery and getting the best player in the world.

Their core players are pretty mediocre and don’t include any D (unless you count the overrated Hughes). You noted elsewhere that JT miller less the team by 29 points. That’s because the second place guy had 68.

[Mull]

I am surprised Miller chose to sign with Vancouver to be honest. Surprised he didn't try the same tactic as Matthew and go to a team with a chance to win.


Perhaps just really enjoys living there

[Juggernaught]

They have the 4th or 5th best group of top nine forwards in the Pacific division. The lineup is likely long to grab Jason Dickson for a top 4 dman

As of today they have Podkolzin, Horvat, Boeser, Miller, Petterson, Hoglander, Pearson, Garland, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev pegged for top nine not to mention anyone who might push for a job from camp. I don't see Jason Dickenson in that mix? I think that's a fairly solid top nine but wouldn't peg them into a Pacific Division ranking without some supporting argument. Keep in mind we're talking top nine. Not top six or top three.

[djsFlames]

Miller's track record isn't that impressive prior to the 99 point season. Kadri was more proven imo. I think this is an overpay.

But maybe that's the premium for getting him to put down roots in VAN.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And?

Their core players are all between 22-28 years old.

Their core players are good.

Build around them.

You can’t just rely on winning a lottery and getting the best player in the world.

To improve their D to the Flames level, they have to;

1) spend years drafting, and lucky enough to draft such players

Or

2) spend significant capital including their core to trade for one or two legit dmen

Unless they improve that defense significantly, they are not a contender

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mull

I am surprised Miller chose to sign with Vancouver to be honest. Surprised he didn't try the same tactic as Matthew and go to a team with a chance to win.


Perhaps just really enjoys living there

He is the similar level to Kadri, he is not Matthews or Tkachuk

He saw what happened to Kadri

[djsFlames]

Petterssen is turning out to only be a pretty good, but not high end core player. Many people have echoed this sentiment.

Boeser has leveled off. Not a highly competitive player. I could see a Monahan-like trajectory for him.

Horvat is decent but again I don't sense further growth for him at this point.

Garland didn't quite meet the hype coming out of the desert last season. Didn't do much for their forward group.

Hoglander is skilled but undersized.

I don't know about the European guy they dropped into their roster but its usually worse than a coin flip that those guys stick here.

Hughes should just be a forward, he doesn't play defense. Was exposed as a train wreck since Tanev left him.

The defence group as a whole is mediocre.

Demko is a superb goalie.

Boudreau is a pretty good regular season coach.

In the PAC the Canucks are probably in the bubble, pushing for WC or 3rd if Demko can bail out their poor defense nightly. If he goes down they're ####ed, of course.

[Erick Estrada]

Pretty good contract for the Canucks. They remind me a lot of the Jets in that they have some good individual players but the team is pretty meh. Seem like they are going to be perpetually mediocre like the Jets.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

To improve their D to the Flames level, they have to;

1) spend years drafting, and lucky enough to draft such players

Or

2) spend significant capital including their core to trade for one or two legit dmen

Unless they improve that defense significantly, they are not a contender

Rome wasn’t built in a day - they have to be a professional hockey organization just like everyone else.

Letting Miller walk would be counter productive.