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[Shazam]

The only people that think $15/hr, is a "livable wage" are people that have never made $15/hr to live on.

[PuckSlap]

$15 an hour works


In 1987 for a duel income family.


$15 an hour in 2022 is like $3 for a teenager in 1993

You can’t live off of that ####

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The only people that think $15/hr, is a "livable wage" are people that have never made $15/hr to live on.

What if an employer thinks it only makes sense to hire you for $12 otherwise it is better to not hire you at all?

Would you prefer the $12 over no job?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Would you like a deep fryer for that potato brain?

The minimum wage was implemented to enable people to live. They call it a livable wage for a reason. But, for example - privately owned grocery stores in 2015 were forced to increase the livable wage to $15 an hour, at the same time they had to cut hours, increase prices and lose customers (including their own employees) in the process.

When you made $12 and hour, but we’re given 32-40 hours a week, Benefits and a better balanced work life balance, especially if you have kids or go to school.

But when you get your hours cut, and I’ve seen it happen almost immediately after the increase in minimum wage). You now make more money, but you now have to find another job, to pay the bills because you now only get 12-20 hours a week. That new wage doesn’t cover babysitting or daycare. Because those people now need more

So, now the people get hurt, the employers struggle to keep their place of business running properly and therefor lose customers, which leads to more cutbacks and more layoffs, hour cuts and so forth.

Yes, Walmart - Costco - superstore( excluding no frills) pays higher taxes. But they don’t care, because they’re not looking out for the people of the community; like the small businesses are. They are the ones that keep commerce in the neighborhoods and community’s

Minimum wage should have been increased at a pace that reflected the inflation rate starting in the 80s after the crash.

Curious as to why with all that word salad you didn’t include this portion that you decided to send me via PM considering it also has nothing to do with whether or not the new minimum wage laws violate people’s human right by way of age based discrimination:

You can go to reserves and those young men and women make more and get no tax working at a Costco. $18 an hour to start. The money goes back into the community, not the government.

If you argued that point, it would make more sense. But we’re talking about buying power when it comes to these corporations

Are you going to continue avoiding to acknowledge that an age based minimum wage is discriminatory?

A yes or no answer will suffice, that way my potato brain can process it and you can continue demonstrating how much more intelligent you are than I.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

What if an employer thinks it only makes sense to hire you for $12 otherwise it is better to not hire you at all?

Would you prefer the $12 over no job?

Then stop giving large corporations tax cuts and provide better services for the people who make 12 dollars an hour. Look at Walmart, they are one of the largest employers in the US and many of their employees are on food stamps. They need government subsidies to employ their current business model, the government shouldn’t be subsidizing wages for large companies. Same with the wall street bailouts in 2008. Socialism for companies and not people is an even worse system

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Then stop giving large coronation tax cuts and provide better services for the people who make 12 dollars an hour. Look at Walmart, they are one of the largest employers in the US and many of their employees are on food stamps. They need government subsidies to employ their current business model, the government shouldn’t be subsidizing wages for large companies. Same with the wall street bailouts in 2008. Socialism for companies and not people is an even worse system

Walmart didn't invent food stamps.

Also: Walmart's ability to drive down prices (including labour) makes living affordable for the lower classes. Who do you think shops at walmart?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Walmart didn't invent food stamps.

Also: Walmart's ability to drive down prices (including labour) makes living affordable for the lower classes. Who do you think shops at walmart?

All their employees that can barely afford rent?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

$15 an hour in 2022 is like $3 for a teenager in 1993

Is that true? I did a Google search and what I found was that $3 in 1993 would be worth $6.15 today (an increase of 105.04%).

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inf.../1993?amount=3

In 1993, minimum wage was $4.55 in Ontario, probably similar in most of Canada. Things were cheaper, but minimum wage didn't get you more then than it does now.

[Jason14h]

The biggest issue is we as investors (retirement funds , mutual funds ,etc) demand not just increasing profits but exponentially increasing profits

So keeping costs down while raising prices is the only real option for a lot of companies - especially grocery stores and department stores / walmarts

Raise minimum wage ? They will just increase the prices . Raise taxes ? They will increase the prices .

The investors need to change their attitude and demand less profit and more social accountability or the consumer will always just have the costs passed onto them, which results in the same issues we are seeing with inflation at the moment with the lower end consumers

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

$15 an hour works


In 1987 for a duel income family.


$15 an hour in 2022 is like $3 for a teenager in 1993

You can’t live off of that ####

So it should be higher than $15/hr?

[PepsiFree]

Considering BoLevi is just replaying the same things he said in a minimum wage thread almost exactly a year ago (a couple lines gave me deja vu so I looked it up), I’m sure it’s of everyone’s benefit to continue engaging with him as he definitely has a capacity to learn and isn’t just a troll who falls back on the same mindless drivel.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calculoso

So it should be higher than $15/hr?

I always find it funny when there’s an argument that you shouldn’t be able to live off a minimum wage (because it’s for teenagers, or whatever) which begs the question why you’d have a minimum wage at all and why jobs that teenagers can’t hold start at minimum wage.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Considering BoLevi is just replaying the same things he said in a minimum wage thread almost exactly a year ago (a couple lines gave me deja vu so I looked it up), I’m sure it’s of everyone’s benefit to continue engaging with him as he definitely has a capacity to learn and isn’t just a troll who falls back on the same mindless drivel.

That can be said for a lot of posters on both sides of the arguments.

My way or the highway

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Walmart didn't invent food stamps.

Also: Walmart's ability to drive down prices (including labour) makes living affordable for the lower classes. Who do you think shops at walmart?

They exploit food stamps because they know that the government will subsidize their workforce. I don't blame them as they are working in the rules that the government has set but that is one of the biggest issues with the current economic structure. Increasingly large corporate tax cuts and regulation changes have sky rocketed and centralized personal wealth. I personally think that society is healthier when the wealth gap is decreasing. New rules need to be set. The middle class and top 20-10% of earners get squeezed more in relative terms than the top 1%. Murray Edwards should need to face the same tax burden as a guy making 200k dollars but he doesn't and the problem is much worse in the US.

https://www.oecd.org/newsroom/130-co...tax-reform.htm Getting rid of tax havens and setting a fair international framework would go a long way as a start.

[Jason14h]

Or everyone can stop shopping and investing in Walmart

That would change their tune fast

Costco for example treats their staff much better

But people like cheap stuff

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I always find it funny when there’s an argument that you shouldn’t be able to live off a minimum wage (because it’s for teenagers, or whatever) which begs the question why you’d have a minimum wage at all and why jobs that teenagers can’t hold start at minimum wage.

I am getting strong Ayn Rand vibes from them haha. Like arguing with the one guy who was convinced the world would have hover cars and not use fossil fuels if the government had not impeded progress with regulations, I gave up on talking economics with that guy after that.
Bottom line for me is that companies exist to make money and have proven time and time again that they will cut corners on health, safety, wages, and the environment in the pursuit of profit. Unfettered capitalism would be a failure.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Or everyone can stop shopping and investing in Walmart

That would change their tune fast

Costco for example treats their staff much better

But people like cheap stuff

Is it that they like cheap stuff or can’t afford more expensive stuff?

I agree with the idea of boycotting Walmart though

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is it that they like cheap stuff or can’t afford more expensive stuff?

I agree with the idea of boycotting Walmart though

Both

But prices will go up by rising minimum wage - Walmart will never absorb the cost .

If everyone who could afford too boycotted Walmart and demanded their pension and retirement funds boycott things would change overnight

But people are hypocrites and want the great return on investment and cheap goods and drive Walmart to act like they do

Anyways back on topic - If Walmart raises minimum wage can I get a new arena

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Anyways back on topic - If Walmart raises minimum wage can I get a new arena

Depends on the tax rates

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Depends on the tax rates

What if we name it the Walmart Minimum Wage Pledge Arena