[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[dammage79]

Center depth is so good, you could potentially overload the top line and survive I.e move Lindy to RW. But why on earth would anyone want to do that? He's just hitting his Prime right now.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by AC

That's great, this isn't about numbering the lines though. It refers to a player who is better than the traditional talent level for that line, which speaks to the depth within a team.

1A/1B goalie tandem example as explained earlier.

So referring to Lindholm and Kadri as 1A/1B and Backlund a 2B means we effectively have 2 "1st line centres" in terms of abilities, and Backlund is a good but not ideal 2nd line centre. As a result, Kadri pushing Backlund down to the 3rd line is a very good thing for this team's depth.

But I'm sure you get the concept and are just being obtuse on purpose.

To actually poke a hole in this nomenclature, if Crosby and Malkin are 1A/1B, does that imply that Malkin is worse than the average 1st first line center?

(The answer of course is no, that 2B without a 2A has a different meaning due to context than 1B with a 1A. But it does show the meaning is not always consistent, and depending on how one views Kadri may not even be consistent within the original sentence.)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SebC

To actually poke a hole in this nomenclature, if Crosby and Malkin are 1A/1B, does that imply that Malkin is worse than the average 1st first line center?

(The answer of course is no, that 2B without a 2A has a different meaning due to context than 1B with a 1A. But it does show the meaning is not always consistent, and depending on how one views Kadri may not even be consistent within the original sentence.)

Crosby and Malkin would both be 1A centers even if one played on the 2nd line.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The number after 1 is 2, always has been, always will be.

The alphabet after A is B, always has been, always will be.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by AC

That's great, this isn't about numbering the lines though. It refers to a player who is better than the traditional talent level for that line, which speaks to the depth within a team.

1A/1B goalie tandem example as explained earlier.

So referring to Lindholm and Kadri as 1A/1B and Backlund a 2B means we effectively have 2 "1st line centres" in terms of abilities, and Backlund is a good but not ideal 2nd line centre. As a result, Kadri pushing Backlund down to the 3rd line is a very good thing for this team's depth.

But I'm sure you get the concept and are just being obtuse on purpose.

I'm actually not being obtuse.

Saying that a player is #2C on our team but would be #1C on another team means absolutely nothing. You can only play one center at a time.

It is the literal definition of being completely irrelevant and the only purpose is to make a fanbase feel better about their team than they should be.

It's hockey's version of mansplaining.

[Sandman]

Sutter says his lines aren't numbered......

[GioforPM]

MY objection has always been that a so-called 3C often plays more minutes than a 2C and has just as important a job, assuming it’s also what some call a “checking C”.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

MY objection has always been that a so-called 3C often plays more minutes than a 2C and has just as important a job, assuming it’s also what some call a “checking C”.

Sutter doesn't seem to use the tradtional 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th line descriptions. He names them after who is centering the line, so there will be a Lindholm, Kadri, Backlund and probably a Rooney or Ruzicka line. It's funny when reporters ask him about scoring from the 3rd or 4th line, and he plays dumb and asks which line is that.

I think there will very likely be nights that any of the three top lines gets more ice time depending on how the game goes.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Mull

Is it ? How often does the Stanley cup enter churches and what is the percentage of Muslim players in the nhl?

I would argue the reason is that Muslim’s are under represented in the nhl compared to their population %- why is that tragic? Sure not perfect but seems like blowing an issue up

that poster is just virtue signalling

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'm actually not being obtuse.

Saying that a player is #2C on our team but would be #1C on another team means absolutely nothing. You can only play one center at a time.

It is the literal definition of being completely irrelevant and the only purpose is to make a fanbase feel better about their team than they should be.

It's hockey's version of mansplaining.

Considering your use of literal, irrelevant, and mansplaining, I now have little confidence that you understand what you’re trying to say, let alone what other people are trying to say.

It has nothing to do with how many centers you can play at a time. And what it “means” is not nothing, what it means is that our second best center is good enough to be another team’s best center. It’s pretty simple stuff.

It’s no different than people who say “we don’t have a #1 center (or true #1, etc). Like… of course we do, every team has a #1 center, but unless you’re on the spectrum and interpret nuance or context or turns of phrase differently (which is all good) then I think most people expect you to pick up the point easily without weirdly mentioning mansplaining. It’s about quality and overall skill level, not the literal number of centers a team has.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Saying that a player is #2C on our team but would be #1C on another team means absolutely nothing.

So it doesn't matter how good or bad your centres are, as long as you number them 1 to 4? Good to know.

[TheoFleury]

This is the greatest debate in history

[AustinL_NHL]

Honestly, I respect DoubleK for being willing to die on this hill.

Greatest debate in history, indeed.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So it doesn't matter how good or bad your centres are, as long as you number them 1 to 4? Good to know.

It’s like how Edmonton thinks they have a #1 defenseman because they have a guy that plays the #1 spot. If you call him a #1, he’s a number one. Plus if you pay him like one…

[InternationalVillager]

Lol what kinda trash discussion is this. smh. Lindholm and Kadri are both first line centers. Backlund should be slotted in as a really good 3rd line center. He shouldn’t be playing 2nd line on any contending team. I think most Flames fans agree to this. So what’s the issue? weird it’s gone this long.

[Hackey]

3 strong centre's and 3 strong pairs. Sutter will have options and roll those lines accordingly. Don't think it really matters what you label them.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'm actually not being obtuse.

Saying that a player is #2C on our team but would be #1C on another team means absolutely nothing. You can only play one center at a time.

It is the literal definition of being completely irrelevant and the only purpose is to make a fanbase feel better about their team than they should be.

It's hockey's version of mansplaining.

Back when Crosby and Malkin were peaking and Comeau was the Flames first line center for a stretch, was Comeau a 1C and Malkin a 2C?

It's semantics, but everyone understood that when people said the Penguins had two first line centers and the Flames needed a first line center they didn't mean the Flames were playing with two wingers on the first line with an empty space in the middle and no one taking draws. Though at times it felt like that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lol what kinda trash discussion is this. smh. Lindholm and Kadri are both first line centers. Backlund should be slotted in as a really good 3rd line center. He shouldn’t be playing 2nd line on any contending team. I think most Flames fans agree to this. So what’s the issue? weird it’s gone this long.

Backlund was the 2nd line center on a 111 point team last season.

A 111 point team is a contender.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Backlund was the 2nd line center on a 111 point team last season.

A 111 point team is a contender.

"Shouldn't." Does not mean he can't.

Taking it to an extreme, Nurse shouldn't be playing 25 minutes a night as the #1 defender on a contender either, but here he was doing it with a 104 point contender.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

"Shouldn't." Does not mean he can't.

Taking it to an extreme, Nurse shouldn't be playing 25 minutes a night as the #1 defender on a contender either, but here he was doing it with a 104 point contender.

Yes, what the OP said can be viewed as an "extreme", but the reality is, if Backlund is your 3rd line centre, you've got an extremely good forward group. If he's your 2nd line centre, it's not the end of the world, but his skill set is much better suited to where he will be now.

And tbqh I'm not sure his production will even drop all that much from his 40ish point norm since he's not the most prolific special teams scorer.