Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Barkov faces all the top lines. That in itself will affect Tkachuk’s point output. Here, while Lindholm’s line did some of the work, so did Backlund’s. Maybe even more.

Yeah I see Tkachuk as a much better fit with Bennett. Barkov is a workhorse.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

If we don’t extend Weegar and he leaves does that money go to Hannifin? Is that good? Trying to think through what an extension means for us in a couple years.

In a couple years, Cap will go up. Tanev, zadorov, Backlund and Toffoli’s all expired. Team will have new faces. I wouldn’t worry too much right now

[bax]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Is two seasons of Auston Matthew @$11.6 m more valuable than one season of MacKinnon at almost half the cap hit? No chance in hell. This list is extremely suspect.

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They have Matthews at number 8 on the list. Mackinnon isn’t in the top 10 but I would assume he’s right there. They have matthews at almost mcdavid level providing over 12 wins worth of value over two seasons.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but I can understand the rationale. Even at 6.3 Mackinnon can’t make that up in only one season

[djsFlames]

My prediction is Gaudreau will see a small drop off. Probably 90 or 100 points.

I think Tkachuk's totals tank. Wouldn't be surprised if he's only flirting with 70. That's where he was before his big year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

My prediction is Gaudreau will see a small drop off. Probably 90 or 100 points.

I think Tkachuk's totals tank. Wouldn't be surprised if he's only flirting with 70. That's where he was before his big year.

Thing is prior to last year that was Gaudreau’s career high.

80 points would be more in line with his career averages the last 5 or so seasons.

[Mr.Coffee]

Tkachuk just got his life money guaranteed and is now going full coast mode in Florida 100%. Gaudreau doesn’t have the same supporting cast or the Sutter factor and he will also drop.

I predict about 70-80 for Gaudreau and then 70 for Tkachuk.

[activeStick]

I see Tkachuk playing with Barkov and being on their Top 5 PP getting a ton of points. Still a damn good player, especially with his top end hockey sense and vision on the PP. I'll go with close to the same output as last season, maybe a slight dip to 90s in total points.

Johnny is Johnny and his elite passing on a line with Laine sniping everything top shelf is going to be amazing to see. It'll be tough for him to equal his output from last season but I also think he ends up in the high 90s in points.

Huberdeau is going to be great for the Flames. Similar to how Sutter developed Johnny into being a responsible two-way player ("Our best two-way player (right now)" - Sutter, on Johnny leading up to the all star break), I'm excited to see what happens with Huberdeau. Lindholm and whoever they play on the top line are going to be huge beneficiaries of Huberdeau's elite vision.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Tkachuk just got his life money guaranteed and is now going full coast mode in Florida 100%. Gaudreau doesn’t have the same supporting cast or the Sutter factor and he will also drop.

I predict about 70-80 for Gaudreau and then 70 for Tkachuk.

lol Goodrow is still going to be closer to 110 than 80.

He was the Flames entire offense last year.

Tkachuk might not hit 75 points the rest of his career.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol Goodrow is still going to be closer to 110 than 80.

He's not going up against Covid-depleted rosters or fourth-string goalies this year. I expect scoring in the league as a whole to drop, and Gaudreau's numbers will naturally drop with it.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he finishes top-5 in points again, but in the range of 95 to 100.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol Goodrow is still going to be closer to 110 than 80.

He was the Flames entire offense last year.

Tkachuk might not hit 75 points the rest of his career.

I bet 30 pts for Goodrow

[djsFlames]

Could see 95-100. Could as easily see 75-85.

Would bank on Huby and Gaudreau to both fall somewhere between 80 and 100. New team chemistry will factor in.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He's not going up against Covid-depleted rosters or fourth-string goalies this year. I expect scoring in the league as a whole to drop, and Gaudreau's numbers will naturally drop with it.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he finishes top-5 in points again, but in the range of 95 to 100.

I would bet the BJs play him an extra 8 to 10 mins a game with the crappy team they have.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Could see 95-100. Could as easily see 75-85.

Would bank on Huby and Gaudreau to both fall somewhere between 80 and 100. New team chemistry will factor in.

Excluding his career high last season Huberdeau had scored at a 92-point pace for three straight years from 2018-21, which he most recently crushed while playing next to Sam Bennett. I think there is very little chance Huberdeau drops below 90-points this season, and think he is a good bet to hit 100.

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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I would bet the BJs play him an extra 8 to 10 mins a game with the crappy team they have.

Yeah I'm curious to see how Gaudreau handles the McDavid treatment with TOI. Does it test his conditioning and result in a plateauing in production or does he increase his totals?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Excluding his career high last season Huberdeau had scored at a 92-point pace for three straight years from 2018-21, which he most recently crushed while playing next to Sam Bennett. I think there is very little chance Huberdeau drops below 90-points this season, and think he is a good bet to hit 100.

There is the question of how he will play in a system that actually values checking. Sutter isn't the trapping ogre that some in the media think he is, but his system is still quite different from the Panthers' firewagon hockey.

If he dips to 80 points while putting up, say, 57% xGF, I'm sure his new coach won't be disappointed.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There is the question of how he will play in a system that actually values checking. Sutter isn't the trapping ogre that some in the media think he is, but his system is still quite different from the Panthers' firewagon hockey.

If he dips to 80 points while putting up, say, 57% xGF, I'm sure his new coach won't be disappointed.

It's funny how people try to brand Sutter as some offense stifling coach and then point out the long list of players that actually had their best career years with Sutter as the head coach. There is a pretty long list of star players that had their best output under Sutter, not to mention depth players that over achieved with Sutter.

[Locke]

Have we signed Paul Byron yet?

Wait...whats this about now?

[dammage79]

Isn't Byron like Done? Like Ferland kind of done?

[Your Calgary Flames!]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Tkachuk just got his life money guaranteed and is now going full coast mode in Florida 100%. Gaudreau doesn’t have the same supporting cast or the Sutter factor and he will also drop.

I predict about 70-80 for Gaudreau and then 70 for Tkachuk.

I would imagine all the players should have a new team bump where they do not drop off too much in the first year. I actually would like to see a statistic that shows how a star player does on a new team/new contract in their first year vs previous. Alas, Iam too lazy to bother. Anyone up?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think Gaudreau is a top 5 offensively skilled player in the league. I think Barkov is of course the much better overall player, but Gaudreau is the better offensive player.



With that being said, I have no clue what Gaudreau does next season. A safe guess is 82 points. We don't know how he is going to mesh with his teammates. I also don't know what system Columbus employed last season, or what they will do this season.


All I know is that Gaudreau thrives in a high-tempo system. Put him in a "Babcockian 5 man unit" system, and he suddenly becomes the king of the curls along the boards, and turning the puck over and over. He will still probably get a PPG, but he won't be a 'superstar' as he is in a decent system.