Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Lazy people wanting to do nothing but sit on their asses all day for good money must be the reason we have so many fast food restaurant employees, skip the dishes and Uber drivers in this country.

No one said first generation /recent immigrants were lazy. But 2nd generation + 'Canadians' - I would agree we have become some mixture of weak, lazy, entitled, naive, manipulated, stupid - Compared to most the world.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

No one said first generation /recent immigrants were lazy. But 2nd generation + 'Canadians' - I would agree we have become some mixture of weak, lazy, entitled, naive, manipulated, stupid - Compared to most the world.

The reason we need immigration to fill those position is almost nobody raised in Canada will drive a truck, clean hospitals, or do other unpleasant work. We don’t have any problem acknowledging the affluence of Boomers. But we don’t acknowledge one of the consequences, which is that the children of Boomers can afford to be choosy about what work they do.

The funny thing is a lot of the undesirable jobs can pay quite well, but they carry the stigma of falling back into the working class. So mom and dad will let their kids live at home and live rent-free and maybe be a waiter or work retail rather than take a job doing something gross like building concrete frames or being a nursing home orderly.

[Izzle]

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1563369748825776129

Freeland getting a "warm welcome" in Grande Prairie. Where was security for her btw??

[BlindMilwaukee]

He wore his best shirt I see.

Pretty embarrassing look for Alberta. Regardless of politics there isn’t any need to harass people.

That couple thinks they are so cool at the end too.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

Note that the budget surplus of 10.2 Billion in Q1 2022-2023 includes Net Actuarial Loss. Without Net Actuarial Losses the surplus would have been 12.8 Billion. Considering this come from the Fraser Institute had it been a Conservative government I'm confident that they would be making the opposite argument.

A lot of government spending tends to happen in the latter part of the fiscal year.

Overall the deficit is narrowing, but that isn't saying much considering it was $90 billion at one point.

Long term our deficit to GDP does look to trend lower, and should keep us within a reasonable balance.

If we could grow our energy sector the way that we need too, our debt / deficit to GDP would be peanuts. But that won't happen while Trudeau is in charge.

[Izzle]

What I am trying to understand is, on the one hand they say disparagingly that Freeland is a globalist and then, on the other hand, they're proud Patriots without borders. Make it make sense???

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm sure that guy is a Facebook hero now, especially among the delta bravo crowd.

The ironic thing is she's from Peace River. She very much belongs there.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

No one said first generation /recent immigrants were lazy. But 2nd generation + 'Canadians' - I would agree we have become some mixture of weak, lazy, entitled, naive, manipulated, stupid - Compared to most the world.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The reason we need immigration to fill those position is almost nobody raised in Canada will drive a truck, clean hospitals, or do other unpleasant work. We don’t have any problem acknowledging the affluence of Boomers. But we don’t acknowledge one of the consequences, which is that the children of Boomers can afford to be choosy about what work they do.

The funny thing is a lot of the undesirable jobs can pay quite well, but they carry the stigma of falling back into the working class. So mom and dad will let their kids live at home and live rent-free and maybe be a waiter or work retail rather than take a job doing something gross like building concrete frames or being a nursing home orderly.

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that if you actually believe what you’ve posted then neither of you have very many interactions with people working blue collar jobs. To suggest that there are no or very few 2nd generation + Canadians(bonus points to you both for not using the term “old stock”) working in these types of jobs is absurd and out of touch with reality.

“Parents don’t want their children being considered working class so they let them live with them rent free while they work as servers”. I gotta say that is one of the funniest things I’ve read on this board in quite some time.

[Macman]

I also find it hard to believe that there’s an abundance of good paying jobs that people don’t want to do. A lot of times these companies don’t have great standards as far as HSE, benefits, or are inadequately staffed where people have to work ridiculous days and hours including weekends. How many even pay $25 an hour. A lot of people go to work daily for less than that.

Where are the ads for these jobs? I see quite a few on social media for oil field and oil rig positions that are good paying but so many people have left that industry and why are they not returning? Some of the reasons I mentioned plus instability of the industry.

[pylon]

Disagree with her all you want, that's your right I guess. But confronting her in that manner in closed quarters.... that's a really good way to catch a hot rock. I am pretty sure those ladies with her aren't her BFF's just tagging along considering she's second in command.

Just a totally classless move by unfortunately, the type that seems to represent the image of this province.

I also love the irony of these freedumb idiots throwing around the term traitor at the drop of a hat, when their modus operandi pretty much revolves around ultimately committing treason to secure all the rights they seem to think has been violated.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Macman

I also find it hard to believe that there’s an abundance of good paying jobs that people don’t want to do. A lot of times these companies don’t have great standards as far as HSE, benefits, or are inadequately staffed where people have to work ridiculous days and hours including weekends. How many even pay $25 an hour. A lot of people go to work daily for less than that.

Where are the ads for these jobs? I see quite a few on social media for oil field and oil rig positions that are good paying but so many people have left that industry and why are they not returning? Some of the reasons I mentioned plus instability of the industry.

Obviously a lot of companies are not willing to pay properly, so they are happy to bring in foreign workers to fill spots. However if you need to have a ticket, that is hard to do.

If you look on any job posting site, you can easily find skilled trade jobs that pay over $25/h starting wage. Many have no requirements outside of having the proper credentials.

It is well known that Canada has a massive skilled trade worker shortage.
If you have ambition and want to work, and by work I mean long days, physically taxing, you can have a good career. Problem is not many people want to actually do that type of work, and therefore you don't see a lot of people going that direction.

There could be even worse labour shortages in the skilled trades in Canada, judging by a recent survey.

While 96 per cent of Canadians agree that the country's workforce needs more skilled trades workers, 76 per cent say they would never pursue a skilled trade for themselves, finds 3M Canada.

This is the case even though Canadians think highly of skilled trades and the professionals who work in them.

"The shortage of skilled professionals in Canada is daunting – misconceptions and lack of awareness surrounding these careers make it difficult to fill the gaps, but it is important now more than ever that we encourage and support Ontarians pursuing these fields," says Ian Howcroft, CEO of Skills Ontario.

Canada posted a record-high job vacancy at the start of March with employers seeking to fill more than one million positions, according to a report from Statistics Canada. And more than two-thirds (68 per cent) of employers say they are having a hard time hiring people with the skill sets they need to grow, according to a previous report from KPMG.

https://www.hrreporter.com/focus-are...%203M%20Canada.

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Re: GDP growth as an isolated measure while correct in stating it is not declining is incorrect in that relative to western world democracies (including Europe) is falling behind and relative to BRIC countries who are leveraging populations and modernizing simultaneously is extremely disingenuous. The big challenge today is Canadian entitlement and laziness embedded in a culture that is increasingly global in its competitiveness. This is a philosophical question about what kind of standard of living Canadians want and what kind of standard of living Canadians need (these are 2 different things most likely and will be a cultural challenge we struggle with as a society for the next 100 years). To say here is a graph of GDP growth is 1/10 the story and is disingenuous idiocy, and something tells me anyone with a shred of self reflection and honesty knows this. Have you travelled anywhere? Like, outside of Canada?



The rest of your gobbly#### is 110% nonsense not based in reality about energy systems and how human beings and the world works. I too think that laser beams and flying cars that are powered by pixie dust are just right right around the corner. There’s cool new science and emerging technologies and then there’s 100s of years of human civilization history to tell us about technology adoption trends, timelines and realities that we would be ill advised to ignore if we want Canada to be a relevant country 50 years from now. But being ignorant about energy systems is cool and stuff, and Justin Trudeau the biggest idiot of all tells us from his mansion that climate change is the biggest crisis facing us (it could be, but it depends on your values, and most Canadians disagree- obviously- evidenced by actions).

SMH. Smartest person in the room syndrome. You should particularly be concerned about your lack of knowledge with respect to technology adoption and the capacity of humans as a species to rapidly develop and implement new technology. It's an exponential curve, especially when the situation is urgent. Best example over the last couple years is the MRNA vaccines. Money was poured into getting this problem solved at a scale never seen before.

We're at the precipice of the same urgency with respect to our dependency on Carbon and the damage it's doing/done. It's the future costs we'll pay due to our lack of resolve and lack of public investment into clean energy that is going to be painful for all of us.

We'll always need oil in some shape or form but it's foolish to not divest from it at this point. I guess do you want to be behind the curve or ahead of it????

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[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by IGGYRULES

SMH. Smartest person in the room syndrome. You should particularly be concerned about your lack of knowledge with respect to technology adoption and the capacity of humans as a species to rapidly develop and implement new technology. It's an exponential curve, especially when the situation is urgent. Best example over the last couple years is the MRNA vaccines. Money was poured into getting this problem solved at a scale never seen before.

We're at the precipice of the same urgency with respect to our dependency on Carbon and the damage it's doing/done. It's the future costs we'll pay due to our lack of resolve and lack of public investment into clean energy that is going to be painful for all of us.

We'll always need oil in some shape or form but it's foolish to not divest from it at this point. I guess do you want to be behind the curve or ahead of it????

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I don’t doubt these things are happening. It’s the pace we would likely disagree with. Hydrogen for example as an energy form is in its infancy, if it will even work on a mass scale we don’t even know yet. Economics are a thing that matter, but also technology adoption of this type is not something that happens overnight. Further and maybe more importantly, oil and gas are used in a massive array for humanity. So many people have no idea what oil and gas all gets used in, and thousands of these products have no alternatives.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Obviously a lot of companies are not willing to pay properly, so they are happy to bring in foreign workers to fill spots. However if you need to have a ticket, that is hard to do.

If you look on any job posting site, you can easily find skilled trade jobs that pay over $25/h starting wage. Many have no requirements outside of having the proper credentials.

It is well known that Canada has a massive skilled trade worker shortage.
If you have ambition and want to work, and by work I mean long days, physically taxing, you can have a good career. Problem is not many people want to actually do that type of work, and therefore you don't see a lot of people going that direction.

Unless those wages are for unskilled helpers, I can see why those jobs are going unfilled if they're offering skilled tradespeople anywhere near $25/hr. I made $20/hr 15 years ago working in residential construction while having zero formal qualifications. And even that wasn't enough to make me want to keep doing it.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Macman

I also find it hard to believe that there’s an abundance of good paying jobs that people don’t want to do. A lot of times these companies don’t have great standards as far as HSE, benefits, or are inadequately staffed where people have to work ridiculous days and hours including weekends. How many even pay $25 an hour. A lot of people go to work daily for less than that.

Where are the ads for these jobs? I see quite a few on social media for oil field and oil rig positions that are good paying but so many people have left that industry and why are they not returning? Some of the reasons I mentioned plus instability of the industry.

We struggle to fill numerous roles that pay 60k plus as do most car dealers. Sales people, service advisors, parts advisors..... and all of those roles require little or no training. The worst or the worst sales person will make 50k a decent one will make 70-80k and the best can get well into the 6 figures. And we offer full benefits.

Auto technicians..... it's literally the most accessible job you can get with 6 figure potential with incredibly flexible hours. There are thousands of available jobs right now, and dealers fight over them trying to hire them. Get going at SAIT, apprentice at a shop or dealer and in 4 years, you can write your own pay cheque.

I know a lot of business owners in trades that have vacant positions that pay 60k+. It's their biggest complaint, finding employees. The problem is, most of these jobs aren't glamorous, don't offer 6 weeks paid vacation out of the chute, and won't impress your insta-tweeter friends when you talk selfies from work.

There's thousands of good paying jobs out there if you are willing to step outside your comfort zone.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by pylon

We struggle to fill numerous roles that pay 60k plus as do most car dealers. Sales people, service advisors, parts advisors..... and all of those roles require little or no training. The worst or the worst sales person will make 50k a decent one will make 70-80k and the best can get well into the 6 figures. And we offer full benefits.

Auto technicians..... it's literally the most accessible job you can get with 6 figure potential with incredibly flexible hours. There are thousands of available jobs right now, and dealers fight over them trying to hire them. Get going at SAIT, apprentice at a shop or dealer and in 4 years, you can write your own pay cheque.

I think the biggest recruitment problem facing that industry isn’t people not wanting to work, it’s people not wanting to go to work when they might not get paid anything for it. The commission model for mechanics at dealerships is particularly ridiculous. Scheduled for 8 hours but only get paid for whatever work they provide you with during that time, meanwhile the dealership is billing the customer anywhere from 3-6 times the mechanic’s actual rate of pay for labour costs.

I know a lot of business owners in trades that have vacant positions that pay 60k+. It's their biggest complaint, finding employees. The problem is, most of these jobs aren't glamorous, don't offer 6 weeks paid vacation out of the chute, and won't impress your insta-tweeter friends when you talk selfies from work.

There's thousands of good paying jobs out there if you are willing to step outside your comfort zone.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they didn’t want to take a job because they wouldn’t be able to tweet pics of themselves on the job, with that being said though it’d be pretty funny if it did happen.

[Azure]

You guys are splitting hairs over nothing, which is to say you can't admit it is a problem, which makes you look ignorant.

"Auto technicians can be $60-$75k per year if they have a ticket."
"But the commission model sucks, whine, whine, whine."

This is the exact attitude that is creating this problem to begin with.

When in fact what one should be doing if they have interest in that field is to get their ticket, get some work experience, figure out who is a good employer and who screws you over, and go work for the companies that treat you well.

The fact is there is a shortage, and generally in a competitive market for skilled trades, companies pay better and treat workers better. This isn't like working at Walmart or Amazon.

I personally know companies right now that will pay $60k starting, full benefits, company vehicle, generous food allowance, housing allowance, $2k hiring bonus if you meet standards, moving expenses paid for & room to grow your salary 25%+ over 1-2 years based on performance. All you need is a ticket, which the government will subsidize if you complete the program. If you can apprentice, some companies will pay for the schooling.

So there are opportunities, but it looks like whining about all the 'oh this sucks, and that sucks' is a lot more common than we realize.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I think the biggest recruitment problem facing that industry isn’t people not wanting to work, it’s people not wanting to go to work when they might not get paid anything for it. The commission model for mechanics at dealerships is particularly ridiculous. Scheduled for 8 hours but only get paid for whatever work they provide you with during that time, meanwhile the dealership is billing the customer anywhere from 3-6 times the mechanic’s actual rate of pay for labour costs.



I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they didn’t want to take a job because they wouldn’t be able to tweet pics of themselves on the job, with that being said though it’d be pretty funny if it did happen.

A top notch tech can book 10-12 hours in an 8 hour shift. If the book calls for a brake job to take 3 hours and a tech can bang it out in 2 real time hours, he still gets paid 3.

There are issues with warranty work and diagnoses time, but for the better part, an experienced red-seal senior technician in a busy well run shop will book more time than they actually work. But to get the real good gravy jobs, it does take a time to earn seniority in the shop as well. You still have to pay your dues to move up the ladder.

[Azure]

Russia and Belarus, the world’s two other potash powers, together produce about what Saskatchewan does on its own. But the world has lost access to much of their output, owing to sanctions and shipping blockades. Ken Seitz, the boss of Nutrien, a Canadian potash miner, recently told Reuters that the stranded supplies could amount to 8m tonnes this year, a fifth of global potash exports.

That means the biggest importers, such as Brazil, India and Indonesia, as well as Europe, will find it harder to procure the fertiliser they need to plant crops and keep citizens fed. Saskatchewan is one of the few places in the world that can boost production at short notice, says Bronwyn Eyre, until recently the province’s minister of energy and resources. Ambassadors and other officials have been calling with urgent demands. For them, “it’s a national security concern.”

Saskatchewan is often said to be Canada’s heartland, full of cheerful, guileless folk who are just a generation or two off the farm if not still on it. The ups and downs of farm life helped forge a culture of mutual support. The province was the first place in North America to provide universal health care, in 1962. But recent prosperity, and perhaps the influence of Alberta, an oil-soaked neighbouring province with a secessionist bent, have changed things a bit. Today’s Saskatchewanites seem to want smaller government and lower taxes. Ms Eyre’s conservative Saskatchewan Party caters to that.

The potash industry is at the centre of this new mood. The tallest steel-and-glass office building in Saskatoon, the largest city, is the Nutrien tower. Mosaic’s building in the provincial capital, Regina, is almost as prominent. The firms’ names adorn stadiums and events. To anyone who takes the Yellowhead Highway across the province, half a dozen mines and their huge pink-white tailing piles can be seen across the pancake-flat landscape.

Firms are scrambling to take advantage of what one boss describes as “outrageous” prices, which have tripled in a year. But new mines take time. Potash deposits are a kilometre or so beneath the earth, under a thick layer of pressurised water. To sink a shaft down the water must be frozen from above, a procedure that can take two years or more. bhp, the world’s biggest mining firm, is rushing to finish its first potash mine, in Saskatchewan, a year before it was due to open in 2027.

Efforts are under way to ramp up production at existing mines, too. Nutrien plans to extract an extra 1m tonnes of potash in 2022, equal to 7% of its output. Mosaic has reactivated a mine it had mothballed in 2019. But transport problems hamper such plans. What Canada needs, says Ms Eyre, is more pipelines to move oil and gas about, which would free rail capacity to move more potash and crops to ports to be shipped abroad. The left-leaning prime minister, Justin Trudeau, disagrees.

Like most of Canada, the province also suffers from a shortage of workers. No other province has seen such slow population growth. Over the past century the ranks of Saskatchewanites have increased by half to 1.2m while the country’s population has quadrupled. The provincial government has been keen to take as many Ukrainian refugees as it can get. But despite ample jobs, cheap housing and a diaspora, Ukrainians have not come flocking.

https://www.economist.com/the-americ...-supply-crunch

Always interesting how when rail is at full capacity, there isn't call for more rail, and instead always talk about shifting stuff from rail to pipelines or whatever. For years now rail has been incapable of keeping up, to the point of where the Federal Government has had to step in to force shipments to move. If building more rail capacity allows us to get our exports to port, why are we not doing that?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I think the biggest recruitment problem facing that industry isn’t people not wanting to work, it’s people not wanting to go to work when they might not get paid anything for it. The commission model for mechanics at dealerships is particularly ridiculous. Scheduled for 8 hours but only get paid for whatever work they provide you with during that time, meanwhile the dealership is billing the customer anywhere from 3-6 times the mechanic’s actual rate of pay for labour costs.



I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they didn’t want to take a job because they wouldn’t be able to tweet pics of themselves on the job, with that being said though it’d be pretty funny if it did happen.

Seize the means of production comrade. If the mechanic doesn't like getting a fraction of his rate he should open his own business and front the capital costs associated with that.