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Old 07-22-2022, 10:44 PM   #81
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And now the statements start from some of the 2003 team members.

Carlo Colaiacovo stating he had no involvement or knowledge of the incident.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarloCola...86672869425152
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Old 07-22-2022, 11:40 PM   #82
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I posted about this stuff before, through just playing average house league growing up I heard whispers of this stuff taking place in rep (not the unconscious stuff but guys going at it as a group). Even in university. I found it gross back then and even moreso now. This is a sports thing...I don't know why but it is, and it's really "normal" in hockey. I know some have in the past not wanted to brush all hockey players as the type, and certainly not all of them should be but I'd go so far as to say every single one is aware of this type of behaviour, and majority have taken part in it. It annoys me that people like Don Cherry have painted these guys as "good ol' Canadian boys" when this type of thing has been going on since time at many many levels. Alcohol goes hand in hand with this behaviour, and undoubtedly when it happens so many times where this risque behaviour happens, there will be more cases of people being out of it completely as is the case here. It's unfortunate that some of these women who probably couldn't consent, and probably married with kids and can't report what happened to them but I hope these guys get embarrassed thoroughly. What's the statute for things like this for prosecuting?
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:02 AM   #83
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This is a sports problem. The deification of athletes creates a culture where young elite athletes live an entitled existence.
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This is problematic well beyond sports.
It’s complex.

Athleticism can be seen as the masculine equivalent of feminine beauty.

Consumer culture is a sadistic joke and a violent mess. People deify youth in all of its forms then relentlessly pursue holding on to it in any of its forms or aspects.

From cosmetic surgery to bro-science hacks, and the celebration of glory days it’s chronic (not acute) mental illness resulting from exploitive propaganda.

Humans do not naturally engage in this type of behaviour.

In consumptive culture, humans are indoctrinated to the point that they can not even conceptualize the waters they swim in.

Understanding the roots of these actions also does not condone them.
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It’s complex.

Athleticism can be seen as the masculine equivalent of feminine beauty.

Consumer culture is a sadistic joke and a violent mess. People deify youth in all of its forms then relentlessly pursue holding on to it in any of its forms or aspects.

From cosmetic surgery to bro-science hacks, and the celebration of glory days it’s chronic (not acute) mental illness resulting from exploitive propaganda.

Humans do not naturally engage in this type of behaviour.

In consumptive culture, humans are indoctrinated to the point that they can not even conceptualize the waters they swim in.

Understanding the roots of these actions also does not condone them.
Although I agree with your points this is not exactly true. The foreskin is literally a tool designed on male genitalia to pull out another man's competing sperm ... we are no better than the next primate if left to our own devices

The problem is men who are uncivilized and flaunt man's laws and just give in to man's basic nature.

I would counter argue this is exactly how man would humans would act naturally. We have evolved tho and should behave as such. This kinda repulsive action is the work of men that are the bottom rung of a civilized society un able to keep up.
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Old 07-23-2022, 03:27 AM   #85
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The way I read the article is that the video no longer exists. Am I reading this incorrectly?
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Old 07-23-2022, 03:43 AM   #86
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This is interesting

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Old 07-23-2022, 09:48 AM   #87
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:46 AM   #88
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The "no recollection" statement...

https://www.tsn.ca/jordin-tootoo-den...ault-1.1828554

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Jordin Tootoo says he does not recall knowing or hearing about a group sexual assault involving members of Canada's 2003 men's world junior hockey championship team.

Tootoo is the third player from that team to deny involvement in the sexual assault that allegedly happened in Halifax during the 2003 tournament.

Carlo Colaiacovo and P-A Parenteau have also denied any involvement in or knowledge of the assault.

Tootoo says he will fully co-operate with Halifax police in their investigation.

Tootoo acknowledges in a statement to Twitter that he was also dealing with an addiction to alcohol at the time.
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:55 PM   #89
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I thought he said in his book he saw it happen?
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I think this pretty much guarantees he wasn't involved.
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Old 07-23-2022, 02:17 PM   #91
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I thought he said in his book he saw it happen?
Haven't read the rest of his book, but that section highlighted from his book in the tweet isn't necessarily describing sexual assault. Not all group sex is non-consensual.
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I thought he said in his book he saw it happen?
He said in his book he saw guys engaging in more than just one on one encounters. At no point did he say he saw a woman get gang raped while unconscious.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1550921223042871296

Upshall doesn't deny being involved, which is usually part of every one of these statements.
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Ive partied with them.
They will be part of the report.
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Ive partied with them.
They will be part of the report.
Gregory Campbell also being speculated as being involved.
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Old 07-24-2022, 04:35 AM   #96
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I wasn't implying that it was just a problem with Canadian hockey teams. I left the possibility open to other World Junior / national teams from other countries having the same sort of culture.

It's just that here in Canada, World Juniors are a really big deal (and maybe more so than in other countries). They're like our version of the Olympics. So the implications of a fallout involving Hockey Canada would be huge. It'd be arguably at the same scale as the IOC banning the Russian Olympic team from participating in the Olympics for state-sponsored doping. It's a widespread systemic issue that has been allowed to go on for far too long.
I don't recall ever hearing stories or rumors about gang bangs (let alone gang rapes) around European sports teams. Or to be specific, not stories of team mates banging girls as a team in general.

(Obviously this is purely anecdotal.)

There's been gang rape stories involving athletes, and plenty of stories about both consensual sex and sexual violence, but either these rumors stay closer to teams, or the culture is genuinely different, in that team athletes don't seem to act as groups around women nearly as much as they seem to do in NA. Which I would imagine helps cut down on some of the most toxic stuff.

The culture around youth athletes seems very different to me in general if you compare Europe to North America. It just seems to be considered much less sexy here.

Here in Finland, I've gone to school with some pretty good athletes, and I don't recall them being overly popular with girls or that being a big thing to adults around them. Even in our fictional stories, The Hot Guy is rarely an athlete, or at least them being an athlete isn't a big focus.
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Update.

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Old 08-24-2022, 06:35 PM   #98
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Out of curiosity, what is the statute of limitations on a video recorded sexual assault? Can they still hammer these guys with the full force of the law, or are they going get away free and clear because it's 19 years ago now?
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I don't think there is a time limit on sexual assault in Canada.
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I don't think there is a time limit on sexual assault in Canada.
Good. I hope they get the book thrown at them. Rapist pigs.
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