[News] With the 13th OA pick the Flames select RW Matthew Coronato

[GreenLantern2814]

As veteran-heavy as this team is, and given who the coach is, I don’t see a rookie from Harvard who parachuted in last-minute getting any significant minutes outside of multiple major injuries to key players.

[Electricprez]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As veteran-heavy as this team is, and given who the coach is, I don’t see a rookie from Harvard who parachuted in last-minute getting any significant minutes outside of multiple major injuries to key players.

I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, either.
Let Coronato continue to get bigger and stronger, give him time to work on his skating and finish up school.

I don't feel like he's the answer we need right now; no reason to rush him.

[ricardodw]

The Athletic has the Flames with the 28th best prospect pool down from 26th last year (thanks Toffoli) with Coronato coming in at #4 behind Pelletier, Zary and Wolf

They had these nice words about Coronato

4. Matthew Coronato, RW

19 years old | 5-foot-10 | 183 pounds | Shoots right

Drafted: No. 13 in 2021
Tier: Middle of the lineup player

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average

Analysis: Coronato was a point-per-game freshman at Harvard and an important part of USA’s U20 team. His game is full of speed, energy and creativity. Coronato is able to push the pace down the wing and he doesn’t shy from going right to the net despite his frame. Coronato wasn’t the deadly goal-scoring threat this season he was in junior, but he still showed great hands, hockey sense and looks like a player with the tools to be a second-line winger with time.

They still feel that Zary would better prospect

With time and physical maturity I think the rest of his game is good enough to overcome that and become a good NHL player who can drive offense with playmaking and effort. Zary projects as a third-line center for me, and I could buy him playing higher in the lineup as a winger.

If that is the straight story on Coronato he likely will not be turning pro next season.

With the positive stories on the Flames top-4 prospects I would think that the 27 teams ranked ahead of them have a deeper prospect pools as the Flames top 4 appear to be pretty solid. There are not a lot of guy around that would be top-line top pairing d-men which would be better than the Calgary 4.

[Knut]

So he thinks Zary projects as a third line Center, but puts him ahead of guys with much higher ceilings?

Honestly, I do not have much time for Pronman's rankings. I never find them accurate. Curious to look back at his old ones and see how well he projects players. I bet it is pretty pitiful.

[TheScorpion]

I like Zary. Zary being at No. 2 is ridiculous.

[HighLifeMan]

Meh. Pronman has never viewed the Flames system in a particularly positive light so this is just more of the same.

Coronato was the best goalscorer in his conference as a freshmen - not sure how he wasn't a "deadly scoring threat".

In my view the Flames have three of the top fifty prospects in the NHL. We lack a true elite piece but we should more so be in the middle of the pack. Coronato is criminally underrated by the hockey community.

[dustygoon]

Pronman has some interesting info but too often he over emphasizes speed and misses on some guys as a result.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Knut

So he thinks Zary projects as a third line Center, but puts him ahead of guys with much higher ceilings?

Honestly, I do not have much time for Pronman's rankings. I never find them accurate. Curious to look back at his old ones and see how well he projects players. I bet it is pretty pitiful.

He did an awful job on the Flames Oct 20, 2020.. He had them at #10

9 Colorado Avalanche
Pre-draft org ranking: No. 8
2020 NHL Draft grade: B-

Colorado has defensemen. “That’s not a puck-moving group, that’s a puck-owning group,” said one NHL scout about the collection of young defensemen in the Avs organization. Alex Newhook is very promising, among others, but overall the talent at forward doesn’t stand out at nearly the same level.

1. Cale Makar, D
2. Bowen Byram, D
3. Samuel Girard, D
4. Alex Newhook, C
5. Justin Barron, D
6. Tyson Jost, C
7. Justus Annunen, G
8. Martin Kaut, RW
9. Jean-Luc Foudy, C
10. Connor Timmins, D
11. Logan O’Connor, RW
12. Shane Bowers, C
13. Colby Ambrosio, C

10 Calgary Flames
Pre-draft org ranking: No. 12
2020 NHL Draft grade: B

Calgary has been efficient in recent years at the draft, making good use of its picks and signings. The 2016 draft aged very well with how good Matthew Tkachuk and Dillon Dube became. I’m also very high on the Flames’ 2020 top pick Connor Zary.

1. Matthew Tkachuk, LW
2. Connor Zary, C
3. Dillon Dube, LW
4. Juuso Valimaki, D
5. Mathias Emilio Pettersen, C
6. Jeremie Poirier, D
7. Jakob Pelletier, LW
8. Connor Mackey, D
9. Glenn Gawdin, C
10. Ryan Francis, RW
11. Yan Kuznetsov, D
12. Ilya Nikolaev, C

11 Montreal Canadiens
Pre-draft org ranking: No. 9
2020 NHL Draft grade: B-

The two young centers in the Habs system lead the way here. What’s a common trend throughout their organization is value. Other than Kotkaniemi, who was a No. 3 pick, so many of the players listed here are projected higher than the slot they were selected.

1. Nick Suzuki, C
2. Jesperi Kotkaniemi, C
3. Alexander Romanov, D
4. Cole Caufield, RW
5. Victor Mete, D
6. Ryan Poehling, C
7. Mattias Norlinder, D
8. Jordan Harris, D
9. Kaiden Guhle, D
10. Cayden Primeau, G
11. Jan Mysak, C
12. Sean Farrell, C
13. Josh Brook, D

With just 2 NHL regular players produced over the last 2 years the Flames would be in the bottom 3rd at very best.

I put the Avs and Montreal #9 and #11 to show what a good pipeline can produce.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It's not a prospects ranking, it's a ranking of the organization's system for anyone 23 years and under. So teams that have a young established NHLer are higher in the rankings.

[Ashasx]

? getting an NHL regular out of every draft, given where the Flames are picking, would be a home run for most teams in the league

[Bingo]

I think you'd expect the Flames near the bottom.

They haven't drafted high lately.
They haven't drafted often lately.

When they do pick they've done reasonably well, though the jury is still out on this past draft (less value picks according to experts).

Bigger issue is should they have had more picks, meaning have they gone all in to an extent without the roster to support that.

In the last 5 years the Flames have 7th worst average pick position (120), and the 8th fewest picks. Interesting to note that Vancouver has a lower pick position average, and the Oilers less picks. Boston, Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Colorado in these ranges.

If you just look at the first three rounds they are 5th worst in draft position average, and 5th worst in first three round total picks.

That has you near the bottom guaranteed.

As I said the better question is whether or not the Flames should be hanging with the big boys.

[blankall]

Meh. The Flames are in a win now position for the next 3-5 years. They have the big pieces, but need the mid-six cheap/high energy pieces to push them over the edge. If they can get 2-3 of these guys to step into the lineup and become 40-60 point players over the next years, they are in excellent shape.

The Flames have done an excellent job of developing guys they actually need. They just now need to actually work out.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Athletic has the Flames with the 28th best prospect pool down from 26th last year (thanks Toffoli) with Coronato coming in at #4 behind Pelletier, Zary and Wolf

They had these nice words about Coronato





They still feel that Zary would better prospect

If that is the straight story on Coronato he likely will not be turning pro next season.

With the positive stories on the Flames top-4 prospects I would think that the 27 teams ranked ahead of them have a deeper prospect pools as the Flames top 4 appear to be pretty solid. There are not a lot of guy around that would be top-line top pairing d-men which would be better than the Calgary 4.

Didn’t even have to read the article. Pronman is a complete hack. If his assessments had any value what so ever he would have been employed by an actual team at any level. He doesn’t even have the transparency of McKenzie to acknowledge his sources. Complete waste of time.

[Ashasx]

Pronman's rankings are based on his own viewings and whatever models he uses to evaluate prospects. His rankings aren't an aggregate of anything else.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Pronman has some interesting info but too often he over emphasizes speed and misses on some guys as a result.

What he often emphasizes is that a player needs to have a way that they can separate themselves to create time and space.
That can be done through size and physicality, through speed, or through high end puck skills.
Which is why he often doesn't think highly of smaller players who also don't have strong skating ability. Because when they get to the NHL, it is hard for them to get anything done.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Didn’t even have to read the article. Pronman is a complete hack. If his assessments had any value what so ever he would have been employed by an actual team at any level. He doesn’t even have the transparency of McKenzie to acknowledge his sources. Complete waste of time.

He's done very well to make a career where his opinions are valued enough that he makes a living writing about them. Not bad.

Read it or not. I don't care.

But you opinion, when you admit you didn't even read the article, is pretty useless.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He's done very well to make a career where his opinions are valued enough that he makes a living writing about them. Not bad.

I guess Eric Francis's opinions are even more valuable, because he's been doing it longer?

But you opinion, when you admit you didn't even read the article, is pretty useless.

Today I learned that you can't have a negative opinion about a writer unless you read every single article he's ever written. Haven't read this particular article? Not entitled to an opinion about the writer. Go to the back of the bus and hang your head in shame.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I guess Eric Francis's opinions are even more valuable, because he's been doing it longer?



Today I learned that you can't have a negative opinion about a writer unless you read every single article he's ever written. Haven't read this particular article? Not entitled to an opinion about the writer. Go to the back of the bus and hang your head in shame.

Yes Francis' opinions are valuable. He gets paid to write about them.

As for the rest, I wonder when the last time is that poster actually read anything written by Pronman.

His description of Pronman shows he doesn't even understand what he writes about. Mckenzie and him have nothing in common. Bob is an aggregator of scout opinions. Pronman focuses on his own evaluations, and occasionally (if you listen to his interviews) will sprinkle in what he's hearing from others, but it's not his focus.

So given he didn't even know that, I would hypothesize he doesn't read him ever and just decided he sucks.

Each to their own. I think that's a poorly formed opinion.

[CroFlames]

Would be cool if he was able to step into the playoffs and contribute like Iggy did in 95 I think?

But more recently, Makar for the Avs vs the Flames.

[Jiri Hrdina]

When it comes to prospect reporting I'm not sure who people actually enjoy reading.
Bob...sure...but again he does a different thing.

Whenever something is posted that Button or Pronman write about they get slammed by many and labeled as "hacks".

OK so who is left? Who doesn't suck?

Me? I enjoy reading about prospects including different view points. I appreciate hearing and reading different perspectives.

Pronman is out there actually watching these guys and writing about them. That to me is a valuable resource and interesting content to consume.