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dino7c · 08-22-2022, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

People complained about Gudbranson over the farm kids too.

Yep, it's the exact same argument...Lewis was good too. I think Brad and Darryl know what they are doing.

bax · 08-22-2022, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Lewis is making $800,000. The NHL minimum this year is $750,000.

Are you seriously beefing over $50,000, or is this just another ‘Treliving is always wrong’ post?

I hope you realize that players from the farm also count against the cap… and they lose you games if they're not ready for the show.

Lewis will count less towards the cap than Pelletier this season.

Heck if Valimaki makes the team he will cost almost double Lewis!

djsFlames · 08-22-2022, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Lewis is making $800,000. The NHL minimum this year is $750,000.

Are you seriously beefing over $50,000, or is this just another ‘Treliving is always wrong’ post?

I hope you realize that players from the farm also count against the cap… and they lose you games if they're not ready for the show.

I just want to see farm boys filling out those roles. This season we're obviously running with looch and Lewis and this Rooney fella. I just want to see 2/3 of those filled by guys like Ruzicka in future seasons. I think it would add a 4th scoring line. I'm aware they eat cap. Though a tiny bit less in most instances.

The days of these ogre/pure grinder lines in the bottom six is becoming outdated thinking in today's NHL. We should update our strategy a little, imo.

But yeah sure, I'll trust Daryl for this season.

jayswin · 08-22-2022, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, I don’t get why including a player in trade scenarios = firing him into the sun or hating him. If you want get a good player back in a trade, you have to give up a good player. If all you’re willing to move out is marginal NHLers and depth guys (ie Valimaki, Dube), then all you should expect back are marginal NHLers and depth guys.

Yeah, it's a bizarre reaction. I mean I totally get "no, I don't want to trade Hanifin", but the amount of posters equating trading a player to "everyone wants him gone?!!!!" is bonkers on CP. It's weird.

I mean most of the proposals and desires to trade Hanifin include getting a star scoring winger back, that's the exact opposite of firing someone into the sun or "getting rid of him".

memphusk · 08-22-2022, 11:34 PM

Sutter will work to getting Lewis to 1000 games. If Lewis is willing to work to get it, good on him. Lewis is our Helm style player. I also hope Lewis makes 1000 games, and as a flame.

djsFlames · 08-22-2022, 11:38 PM

I do like Lewis, at least most of the time.

Pretty solid, but again is basically an energy guy at this point in his career. He does well cycling in the o-zone and offers some grit and leadership. That's fine.

memphusk · 08-22-2022, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I do like Lewis, at least most of the time.

Pretty solid, but again is basically an energy guy at this point in his career. He does well cycling in the o-zone and offers some grit and leadership. That's fine.

And he can score a goal in the playoffs.

Jay Random · 08-22-2022, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I just want to see farm boys filling out those roles.

I want to see farm boys playing plenty of minutes in meaningful situations, not 8 minutes a night on the 4th line with no special teams.

And I certainly don't want to see the team depleting its farm depth just to ice an opening-day roster, when injuries are certain to happen as the season wears on. Better to sign replacement-level players for the bottom of the NHL roster than sub-replacement players for the bottom of the AHL roster. The latter signings will be no help at all in a crunch.

If a prospect kicks down the doors in training camp, as Kylington did last year, then great, demote or waive a vet. Otherwise, let them work for a promotion during the year.

mile · 08-22-2022, 11:51 PM

The Avs had Cogliano and Helm on their 4th line. Lightning used Maroon and Bellemare. Every team's 4th line is pretty much grinder/energy guys. These are also the foot soldiers who are more willing to take PK assignments too which is important.

Sutter is all about defining roles for each player and making them feel important, it's probably easier to get more out of your forward group when you're expecting your scorers to score and your checkers to check. Ask everyone to score and you'll start getting players trying to be something that they're not. Rather have guys like Lewis and Rooney on our 4th line than Leivo and Simon who were expected to provide offense - when they didn't produce, they brought nothing to the lineup

Lewis had a nice playoffs. Hope he can bring that again.

butterfly · 08-23-2022, 01:00 AM

Yeah, the weird thing about the Rooney deal was the Flames could have afforded almost two Lewis-like players for that amount. And Ruzicka can play 4C, so it wasn’t a positional need.

dino7c · 08-23-2022, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

Yeah, the weird thing about the Rooney deal was the Flames could have afforded almost two Lewis-like players for that amount. And Ruzicka can play 4C, so it wasn’t a positional need.

the Flames really like this player and have for a while

butterfly · 08-23-2022, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

the Flames really like this player and have for a while

I hope they do. Otherwise they could have retained on Monahan and perhaps sent Montreal less than a 1st.

dino7c · 08-23-2022, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

I hope they do. Otherwise they could have retained on Monahan and perhaps sent Montreal less than a 1st.

well I don't know about that
considering they tried to sign Rooney multiple times they obviously like the player

butterfly · 08-23-2022, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

well I don't know about that
considering they tried to sign Rooney multiple times they obviously like the player

I hope we all end up loving Rooney.

Would you trade Rooney + 2nd to Montreal for a 1st and offer Ruzicka a contract and a 4C NHL job? That’s a reasonable alternative reality.

FlamesAddiction · 08-23-2022, 01:16 AM

Reading what some Rangers fans say about Rooney is that he took a step back last season. He isn't great at face-offs, not really that physical, doesn't forecheck too hard. Sounds more like a 13th forward than a solid fixture on the 4th line every game.

It doesn't sound like they disliked him or scapegoated him, but just that he was pretty forgettable.

dino7c · 08-23-2022, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

I hope we all end up loving Rooney.

Would you trade Rooney + 2nd to Montreal for a 1st and offer Ruzicka a contract and a 4C NHL job? That’s a reasonable alternative reality.

you have no idea if this was even possible...it most likely wasn't. Rooney signed for 1.3M I don't think it makes that big of a difference for Montreal if any at all. WTF is 1M to them? Price and his 10M are going on LTIR

dino7c · 08-23-2022, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Reading what some Rangers fans say about Rooney is that he took a step back last season. He isn't great at face-offs, not really that physical, doesn't forecheck too hard. Sounds more like a 13th forward than a solid fixture on the 4th line every game.

It doesn't sound like they disliked him or scapegoated him, but just that he was pretty forgettable.

Fans of teams a player left should always be taken with a grain of salt...didn't hear many glowing reviews of Gudbranson or Zadorov

heck even Lindholm who "couldn't shoot"

butterfly · 08-23-2022, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

you have no idea if this was even possible...it most likely wasn't. Rooney signed for 1.3M I don't think it makes that big of a difference for Montreal if any at all. WTF is 1M to them? Price and his 10M are going on LTIR

Well, the idea was to not sign Rooney (or offer 1/$800k), retain on Monahan, give that job to Ruzicka (if Rooney didn’t sign) and give up less to Montreal.

dino7c · 08-23-2022, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by butterfly

Well, the idea was to not sign Rooney (or offer 1/$800k), retain on Monahan, give that job to Ruzicka (if Rooney didn’t sign) and give up less to Montreal.

I get it...but you are just making stuff up with no basis in reality. Why would Montreal take less to save less than a million dollars in cap space they don't need? There obviously weren't many options to move Monahan.

Why would Montreal take so much less just to save a 800k in cap space the day their 10M goalie says he's done?

also you can agree or not but the FLAMES REALLY WANTED ROONEY, he wasn't taking 800k....honestly its the worst argument ever to say "they should have offered less" you don't think they did lol...market is the market. That is what it took to get him signed in Calgary.

Rooney is totally irrelevant to the Monahan deal

butterfly · 08-23-2022, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I get it...but you are just making stuff up with no basis in reality. Why would Montreal take less to save a million dollars in cap space they don't need? There obviously weren't many options to move Monahan.

Why would Montreal take so much less just to save a million in cap space the day their 10M goalie says he's done?

also you can agree or not but the FLAMES REALLY WANTED ROONEY, he wasn't taking 800k....honestly its the worst argument ever to say "they should have offered less" you don't think they did lol...market is the market. That is what it took to get him signed in Calgary.

It doesn’t have to be Montreal. I’m sure more teams would have been interested in a retained salary deal for Monahan.