[Signing] Columbus signs Gudbranson (4 yrs, $4 mil AAV)

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I really wonder what kind of people think that wives don't have a say in where their family lives/moves.

It's strange to me that some people believe that a hockey player can just tell his wife where they will live, and she has no say.

That's not reality. Nor should it be.

[tvp2003]

I enjoyed the candour and perspective of Gudbranson: not quite a vet, not quite a journeyman. And with all the talk about what guys like Gaudreau and Tkachuk might prioritize as their UFA status neared, Gudbranson was probably like a lot of NHLers — I play hockey and I let my agent do the work, because that’s why I pay him. Even last year, he just wanted to play somewhere, and it ended up working out as good as it could have.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I really wonder what kind of people think that wives don't have a say in where their family lives/moves.

It's strange to me that some people believe that a hockey player can just tell his wife where they will live, and she has no say.

That's not reality. Nor should it be.

It’s because decision making in a marriage is proportional to income. Therefore Johnny’s opinion is 9 million times more important than his wife’s.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It’s because decision making in a marriage is proportional to income. Therefore Johnny’s opinion is 9 million times more important than his wife’s.

Not with COVID still being rampant and a new baby arriving imminently.

[midniteowl]

The wife has to be happy but the husband has to be happy as well. Gaudreau doesn't look happy right now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I really wonder what kind of people think that wives don't have a say in where their family lives/moves.

It's strange to me that some people believe that a hockey player can just tell his wife where they will live, and she has no say.

That's not reality. Nor should it be.

Sure, but it also has to be within reason. There are a plethora of reasons why someone's 'desire' simply cannot be met within current circumstances.

For instance, if my wife's 'demands' would cost our family $15M I would probably be vehement in my denial of those demands.

Perhaps those desires can be met more thoroughly later after the current 'Once in a Lifetime' opportunity is realized?

Moreover however, I am going to comprehensively reiterate my stance that I do not in any capacity believe that Gaudreau to Columbus had absolutely anything to do with his wife.

I do not know much about Gaudreau's wife, but from what I have read she is nothing if not a very intelligent individual. It would make no sense for her to sabotage her husband and her family's single greatest and most important career and financial opportunity and to suggest otherwise is non-sensical and, yes, misogynist.

I sincerely doubt his wife put her foot down and said "COLUMBUS!!!"

To me that is patently absurd. Absolutely she should have a say, but again, within reason and I have never been given any reason to believe that she is an unreasonable person.

As I've said before, I think Johnny himself, as someone disinterested or naïve or nervous, as well as his Agent for not taking control of the negotiations and some borderline incompetence among other things, are the ones who really dropped the ball here.

Either way though, Gaudreau and to a point, his Agent, are public figures and fully fair game for criticism. His wife however is not.

It is wholly unjust to put a target on his wife's back. At the end of the day the buck stops with Johnny.

[Coach]

Great interview with Gudbranson. Can tell he enjoyed Calgary and the team. Seems like a stellar guy. Someone that gels a team. You can see why he and Zadorov hit it off. Really would have liked to keep him around but I'm glad he got his pay day.

[AustinL_NHL]

Man, there's just something about Gudbranson.

I absolutely roasted the signing when it was announced, and if I remember correctly, called it the worst of all the Flames' moves last offseason.

I still think it's 100% fair to assume that Gudbranson had the best season of his career due to Sutter and will likely revert to being a very below average defenseman in Columbus, but the way he endeared himself to the C of Red and gave it his all both on and off the ice just makes me so happy to see him get that insanely ridiculous contract he got.

Guy just seems like the gentlest giant off the ice, while living up to his giant status on the ice and always protecting his teammates. Plus he's handsome as f*** and has a banging wife.

Man, there's just something about Gudbranson.

[SebC]

The wife thing isn't about gender. It's about class/social status, and not like hereditary status, but the kind of bourgeois status that you can buy your way into with money. It is only about gender so much as we give male professional athletes very high social status (and even that is sport-dependent, but I digress).

When Mike Fisher moves to Nashville because Carrie Underwood wants him to, nobody thinks that's crazy. Instead, the jokes are of the "ha ha his wife has higher status than he does" vein.

But Meredith Gaudreau may not have the same social status as Johnny Gaudreau (which we ascertain through earnings and for women especially, beauty) and thus to some, he deserves a bigger say in their decisions, as she is the "lucky" one who is "marrying up". And it's not unreasonable. If I were married and having a kid with a supermodel (which is about the female equivalent of a male pro athlete), I might see it as fair enough that she gets to decide where she's gonna work, and thus where we're gonna live.

Now, the counterargument is that perhaps when you marry someone and have a kid with them your social status equalizes. That nobody should be a second-class citizen in their own marriage. And that's a compelling argument too. It may also be a bit naif, and what should be is not always what is. Some partners formalize that they keep their individual status through separate finances and a pre-nup, so it is certainly not universal.

And finally, Johnny's perception of Meredith may be different from ours. Perhaps, to him, her beauty, brains, kindness or whatever make him the lucky one, and thus it is her greater status which lends her a greater say in their decision. But then if we think he's not being objective there, then that's when you'd call him "whipped".

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SebC

The wife thing isn't about gender. It's about class/social status, and not like hereditary status, but the kind of bourgeois status that you can buy your way into with money. It is only about gender so much as we give male professional athletes very high social status (and even that is sport-dependent, but I digress).

When Mike Fisher moves to Nashville because Carrie Underwood wants him to, nobody thinks that's crazy. Instead, the jokes are of the "ha ha his wife has higher status than he does" vein.

But Meredith Gaudreau may not have the same social status as Johnny Gaudreau (which we ascertain through earnings and for women especially, beauty) and thus to some, he deserves a bigger say in their decisions, as she is the "lucky" one who is "marrying up". And it's not unreasonable. If I were married and having a kid with a supermodel (which is about the female equivalent of a male pro athlete), I might see it as fair enough that she gets to decide where she's gonna work, and thus where we're gonna live.

Now, the counterargument is that perhaps when you marry someone and have a kid with them your social status equalizes. That nobody should be a second-class citizen in their own marriage. And that's a compelling argument too. It may also be a bit naif, and what should be is not always what is. Some partners formalize that they keep their individual status through separate finances and a pre-nup, so it is certainly not universal.

And finally, Johnny's perception of Meredith may be different from ours. Perhaps, to him, her beauty, brains, kindness or whatever make him the lucky one, and thus it is her greater status which lends her a greater say in their decision. But then if we think he's not being objective there, then that's when you'd call him "whipped".

Okay....

I just think of it more along the lines of:

"We're a team, you just got a Once in a Lifetime career opportunity that is going to immensely benefit our family, some sacrifices may have to be made to take maximum advantage of it."

That seems pretty reasonable to me.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SebC

The wife thing isn't about gender. It's about class/social status, and not like hereditary status, but the kind of bourgeois status that you can buy your way into with money. It is only about gender so much as we give male professional athletes very high social status (and even that is sport-dependent, but I digress).

When Mike Fisher moves to Nashville because Carrie Underwood wants him to, nobody thinks that's crazy. Instead, the jokes are of the "ha ha his wife has higher status than he does" vein.

But Meredith Gaudreau may not have the same social status as Johnny Gaudreau (which we ascertain through earnings and for women especially, beauty) and thus to some, he deserves a bigger say in their decisions, as she is the "lucky" one who is "marrying up". And it's not unreasonable. If I were married and having a kid with a supermodel (which is about the female equivalent of a male pro athlete), I might see it as fair enough that she gets to decide where she's gonna work, and thus where we're gonna live.

Now, the counterargument is that perhaps when you marry someone and have a kid with them your social status equalizes. That nobody should be a second-class citizen in their own marriage. And that's a compelling argument too. It may also be a bit naif, and what should be is not always what is. Some partners formalize that they keep their individual status through separate finances and a pre-nup, so it is certainly not universal.

And finally, Johnny's perception of Meredith may be different from ours. Perhaps, to him, her beauty, brains, kindness or whatever make him the lucky one, and thus it is her greater status which lends her a greater say in their decision. But then if we think he's not being objective there, then that's when you'd call him "whipped".

Oh, this is interesting

Equivalent?

List supermodels until you run out

List pro athletes until you run out

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay....

I just think of it more along the lines of:

"We're a team, you just got a Once in a Lifetime career opportunity that is going to immensely benefit our family, some sacrifices may have to be made to take maximum advantage of it."

That seems pretty reasonable to me.

The Gaudreau’s and their children will never have to worry about money again. It’s perfectly rational to value being in the same country as your family and support system in crucial childrearing years over the extra money from signing the Calgary contract. When you’re looking at career earnings of almost $120 million, that extra $10 million buys you only marginal (if any) more happiness vs the social and emotional benefits of raising your family where you want.

When he was 28, Niklas Lidstrom came very close to pulling a Hakan Loob and moving back to Sweden to raise his family. He would have left well over half of his career earnings on the table. Would that have been a mistake? Not if Lidstrom and his family were happy with the consequences of that decision.

And then there’s Loob himself. There’s never been any suggestion he regretted his decision to return to Sweden in his prime to raise his family, even though it meant he had to get a day job (NHL salaries hadn’t hit the big leagues yet in ‘89).

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

The wife has to be happy but the husband has to be happy as well. Gaudreau doesn't look happy right now.

Good

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sure, but it also has to be within reason. There are a plethora of reasons why someone's 'desire' simply cannot be met within current circumstances.

For instance, if my wife's 'demands' would cost our family $15M I would probably be vehement in my denial of those demands.

Perhaps those desires can be met more thoroughly later after the current 'Once in a Lifetime' opportunity is realized?

Moreover however, I am going to comprehensively reiterate my stance that I do not in any capacity believe that Gaudreau to Columbus had absolutely anything to do with his wife.

I do not know much about Gaudreau's wife, but from what I have read she is nothing if not a very intelligent individual. It would make no sense for her to sabotage her husband and her family's single greatest and most important career and financial opportunity and to suggest otherwise is non-sensical and, yes, misogynist.

I sincerely doubt his wife put her foot down and said "COLUMBUS!!!"

To me that is patently absurd. Absolutely she should have a say, but again, within reason and I have never been given any reason to believe that she is an unreasonable person.

As I've said before, I think Johnny himself, as someone disinterested or naïve or nervous, as well as his Agent for not taking control of the negotiations and some borderline incompetence among other things, are the ones who really dropped the ball here.

Either way though, Gaudreau and to a point, his Agent, are public figures and fully fair game for criticism. His wife however is not.

It is wholly unjust to put a target on his wife's back. At the end of the day the buck stops with Johnny.

Johnny made the choice to go there ultimately. And it’ll be a terrible decision long term.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay....

I just think of it more along the lines of:

"We're a team, you just got a Once in a Lifetime career opportunity that is going to immensely benefit our family, some sacrifices may have to be made to take maximum advantage of it."

That seems pretty reasonable to me.

It was a choice between sacrificing a lot of location or sacrificing a lot (to them maybe only 'a bit') of money

[SebC]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh, this is interesting

Equivalent?

List supermodels until you run out

List pro athletes until you run out

The example was chosen because not because of identical numbers, but because of similar attributes.

If you have a better one, feel free to substitute it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Johnny made the choice to go there ultimately. And it’ll be a terrible decision long term.

Will it? We can agree that it seems like it will be a terrible decision insofar as his ability to win a championship is concerned, but maybe this is not something that is all that important to Gaudreau. He will certainly make enough money over the course of his time there that this is not something g he will ever have to worry about. I think he could ultimately spend his entire career in Columbus, never again play a playoff game, retire, and continue to live out a perfectly happy and completely fulfilling existence without a single regret about it in the end.

Hockey is not everything.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

The wife has to be happy but the husband has to be happy as well. Gaudreau doesn't look happy right now.

"Looking" happy and being happy are not the same thing.

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[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Looking" happy and being happy are not the same thing.

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Can you be happy and not look happy? I agree, looking happy doesn't mean being happy.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Can you be happy and not look happy? I agree, looking happy doesn't mean being happy.

You can be happy, and still not want to do photo ops and media availabilities