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[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Curious on why you think Newsom isn't the answer?

I think Newsom would wipe the floor with DeSantis who daily now is looking like a crazy mini-me from the Trump world, Newsom would shred him apart in debates and in policy.

Nah, it would be a pretty close race between those two. However, thinking that Newsome isn't a strong candidate is another very surprising opinion. I'd be curious to hear his rationale that isn't based on disliking democratic policy.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Curious on why you think Newsom isn't the answer?

I think Newsom would wipe the floor with DeSantis who daily now is looking like a crazy mini-me from the Trump world, Newsom would shred him apart in debates and in policy.

It would become the Covid handling debate. Florida was open while California was locked down. Which was the better solution for voters?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Nah, it would be a pretty close race between those two. However, thinking that Newsome isn't a strong candidate is another very surprising opinion. I'd be curious to hear his rationale that isn't based on disliking democratic policy.

I think his handling of Covid and his hypocrisy around masking and indoor gatherings make him vulnerable. California has high taxes, perceived crime and homeless issues.whether they are legit or not they are easy talking points to attack him.

I personally don’t feel strongly one way or another about Newsom.

[Azure]

lol, Newsom.

"Everyone wear masks and stay at home, except for me. I can go to parties."

[RedHot25]

I like how this (Kushner) paints his/TRump's/US's strong negotiating tactics, its a game of chicken, etc....yet it really comes across that they were the ones played, with a lot of the same tactics.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kushne...usma-1.6556647

Members of the Trump administration would rant at their Canadian counterparts during the renegotiation of NAFTA about the frequency of leaks that appeared in the press.

The Americans insisted those trade talks be allowed to unfold discreetly at the negotiating table. They avoided news conferences, rarely spoke to reporters and let Donald Trump's occasional ill-tempered tweets speak for the U.S.

A new memoir lays out the U.S. perspective on those closed-door talks.

The book by presidential son-in-law and senior-staffer Jared Kushner earned the literary equivalent of a ritualized execution in a vividly unflattering New York Times book review that mocked its wooden writing and wilful blindness to the seedier aspects of the Trump legacy.

The book does fill in some gaps on a significant historical event for Canada: it describes the false-starts in the trade talks; frustrations with the Canadians; and how the deal wound up with two tongue-twisting acronyms for a name.

The book describes how U.S. officials grew annoyed in the final bargaining sessions with Canada's lead politician in the talks, Chrystia Freeland.

It's been reported that one American erupted up at Freeland for slow-walking during those sessions, losing his patience when she started discussing whaling rights for Inuit people.

The book places the U.S. narrative on the public record.

"An increasingly frustrating series of negotiations," is how Kushner described it. He said Freeland would read notes scribbled in ink on her hand, then let her officials spar with U.S. trade chief Robert Lighthizer over the technical details.

"All the while [she was] refusing to commit to any substantive changes," Kushner wrote.

"Following this theater, she would walk to the steps of the USTR [U.S. Trade Representative] building and hold an outdoor press conference, uttering platitudes like 'I get paid in Canadian dollars, not U.S. dollars.'"

Trump's team hoped to conclude talks while Republicans still controlled Congress before the 2018 midterms, and before a new Mexican president took office.

"The truth is we were draining the clock," said one Canadian involved. "Trudeau never instructed us to make a final deal. He always said [get] the right deal or no deal."

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I think his handling of Covid and his hypocrisy around masking and indoor gatherings make him vulnerable. California has high taxes, perceived crime and homeless issues.whether they are legit or not they are easy talking points to attack him.

I personally don’t feel strongly one way or another about Newsom.

All that really matters is how well he'd do in the rust belt states. It doesn't seem like they'd be very excited for a Californian, and all those issues certainly don't help Newsome in that region.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It would become the Covid handling debate. Florida was open while California was locked down. Which was the better solution for voters?

Newsom would drop a gut punch by showing Florida had one of the highest death rates from covid while Cali had one of the lowest.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Newsom would drop a gut punch by showing Florida had one of the highest death rates from covid while Cali had one of the lowest.

I don't really think covid deniers/anti vaxxers/trumpets care about people dying

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Newsom would drop a gut punch by showing Florida had one of the highest death rates from covid while Cali had one of the lowest.

The dead people can't vote though. I don't say that to sound glib, but it's always seemed crazy to me how little a death count over a million resonates with people.

Unfortunately, doing the right thing with COVID is not good politics.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't really think covid deniers/anti vaxxers/trumpets care about people dying

Those aren't voting democrat anyway, he isn't trying to win those votes with facts and logic

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Newsom would drop a gut punch by showing Florida had one of the highest death rates from covid while Cali had one of the lowest.

People value freedom and personal responsibility over government imposed restrictions and lockdowns, which I should mention Newsom didn't even follow himself.

Also, we are now starting to see more data on the long-term negative effects of the lockdowns, and it looks to be a hell of a lot worse than COVID ever was.

If Newsom wants to run on COVID policies, he'll lose in a landslide.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Also, we are now starting to see more data on the long-term negative effects of the lockdowns, and it looks to be a hell of a lot worse than COVID ever was.

LOL.


As for Desantis, his only shot is if Trump decides not to run (or can't). It's still Trump's party and he has a rabid base that Desantis will never match. The media likes to play him up because to them, they see a guy who matches Trump's policies but is much smarter and less bombastic. But ultimately, they're not recognizing what makes Trump so popular with his base and why nearly 2 years after losing the election he still has people willing to die for him. Does anyone think people would be storming FBI field offices if Desantis had his house searched?

That said, either has to be a favorite if Biden ends up running again.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

People value freedom and personal responsibility over government imposed restrictions and lockdowns, which I should mention Newsom didn't even follow himself.

Also, we are now starting to see more data on the long-term negative effects of the lockdowns, and it looks to be a hell of a lot worse than COVID ever was.

If Newsom wants to run on COVID policies, he'll lose in a landslide.

*citation really ####ing needed*

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The dead people can't vote though. I don't say that to sound glib, but it's always seemed crazy to me how little a death count over a million resonates with people.

Unfortunately, doing the right thing with COVID is not good politics.

Survivor bias, in other words

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

People value freedom and personal responsibility over government imposed restrictions and lockdowns, which I should mention Newsom didn't even follow himself.

Also, we are now starting to see more data on the long-term negative effects of the lockdowns, and it looks to be a hell of a lot worse than COVID ever was.

If Newsom wants to run on COVID policies, he'll lose in a landslide.

We’re taking about the same country that has the highest incarceration rates in the world and that federally classifies cannabis as a class 1 narcotic, the same as heroin, meth and cocaine?

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

*citation really ####ing needed*

I'll take pushing a narrative for 100, please.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

*citation really ####ing needed*

Not really hard to use Google people.....

After months of lockdown, countries around the world are starting to reopen. And yet still, the death toll from COVID-19 keeps rising. By the end of June, a little over 500,000 people had succumbed to the disease.

But that could be a drop in the ocean compared to the humanitarian fallout. “We’ve seen 400,000 die from COVID-19,” David Beasley, the Executive Director of the World Food Programme, warned in June. “We could see 300,000 die a day, for several months, if we don’t handle this right.”

https://unglobalcompact.org/take-act...than-the-virus

300,000 per day.

7 million people died from COVID.

Would take about 23 days to hit that. And this is just in relation to hunger.

The effects of lockdown may now be killing more people than are dying of Covid, official statistics suggest.

Figures for excess deaths from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that around 1,000 more people than usual are currently dying each week from conditions other than the virus.

The Telegraph understands that the Department of Health has ordered an investigation into the figures amid concern that the deaths are linked to delays to and deferment of treatment for conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

Over the past two months, the number of excess deaths not from Covid dwarfs the number linked to the virus. It comes amid renewed calls for Covid measures such as compulsory face masks in the winter.

But the figures suggest the country is facing a new silent health crisis linked to the pandemic response rather than to the virus itself.

The British Heart Foundation said it was “deeply concerned” by the findings, while the Stroke Association said it had been anticipating a rise in deaths for a while.

Dr Charles Levinson, the chief executive of Doctorcall, a private GP service, said his company was seeing “far too many” cases of undetected cancers and cardiac problems, as well as “disturbing” numbers of mental health conditions.

“Hundreds and hundreds of people dying every week – what is going on?” he said. “Delays in seeking and receiving healthcare are no doubt the driving force, in my view.

“Daily Covid statistics demanded the nation’s attention, yet these terrifying figures barely get a look in. A full and urgent government investigation is required immediately.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-people-covid/

Can't wait to see the collective spin on this by all the lockdown at all costs believers.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

We’re taking about the same country that has the highest incarceration rates in the world and that federally classifies cannabis as a class 1 narcotic, the same as heroin, meth and cocaine?

The common person does not decide the law when it comes to drugs.

So your point is irrelevant.

Florida had a massive growth of people during COVID. This is DESPITE the higher death rates from COVID.

If you factor in the actual risk factor from COVID (after all this time, really hard for people to understand and should get a big ol' LOL from opendoor ), it is not hard to understand that the standard healthy person, who has never been at risk from COVID, will clearly value freedom and personal responsibility over hypocritical do as I say but not as I do restrictions & lockdowns.

[Fuzz]

It's amazing this has to be stated again, but without "lockdowns" our hospital system would have collapsed and many many moor would have died. But keep up your narrative.

[GirlySports]

this is the election debate, it's playing out right here