08-19-2022, 03:05 PM
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#181
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by butterfly
Whether or not we want them to, the inability to do so is disastrous.
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A little annoying perhaps, but hardly disastrous.
The Titanic sinking was disastrous.
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08-19-2022, 03:07 PM
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#182
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
Sorry, why?
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Fast forward to future seasons. The Flames look like they're conference or Cup contenders and have cap space to acquire a deadline piece. Then we sit around and watch as their competitors improve themselves while they can't even appear to do anything. Maybe these future years are seller's markets with few teams already having given up on the season and that's the price for someone like, say, Artturi Lehkonen.
They should have forced Montreal to choose which pick they wanted and retained the flexibility to have options on decision making instead of giving up that ability.
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08-19-2022, 03:08 PM
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#183
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
Kessel's stats are still up there in recent years and doesn't show the signs if significant decline like others. If you look at recent pics of Ovechkin, he is in a Kessel body shape as well. These guys are just athletic underneath the hot dog bods somehow.
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Kessel is -81 the last four years.
He is the literal embodiment of empty calories at this point.
I’d still take him as a rental, but not for a full season.
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08-19-2022, 03:08 PM
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#184
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by rhino
I don’t know if Neal ever had the passion in his game or natural scoring ability made up for it. I actually think Phil has a passion for it
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No way Neal plays the way be did under Sutter. Probably would have been benched and, or in a lot better shape when the season started. Unfortunately we had a few guys that dictated the play and didn't always show up.
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08-19-2022, 03:10 PM
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#185
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by butterfly
Fast forward to future seasons. The Flames look like they're conference or Cup contenders and have cap space to acquire a deadline piece. Then we sit around and watch as their competitors improve themselves while they can't even appear to do anything. Maybe these future years are seller's markets with few teams already having given up on the season and that's the price for someone like, say, Artturi Lehkonen.
They should have forced Montreal to choose which pick they wanted and retained the flexibility to have options on decision making instead of giving up that ability.
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Because of some goofy conditions?
48 hours ago, they had 7 1sts worth of value between their future selections and their last three picks.
Florida doesn’t have a pick to bargain with until 2026.
That’s arduous.
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08-19-2022, 03:11 PM
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#186
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Because of some goofy conditions?
48 hours ago, they had 7 1sts worth of value between their future selections and their last three picks.
Florida doesn’t have a pick to bargain with until 2026.
That’s arduous.
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I was complaining about the Monahan trade, not the Tkachuk trade.
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08-19-2022, 03:12 PM
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#187
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Kessel is -81 the last four years.
He is the literal embodiment of empty calories at this point.
I’d still take him as a rental, but not for a full season.
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While I don't dispute Kessel isn't a strong defensive player, his teams over the past four years have posted these goal differentials...
ARI 2021–22: Minus–106
ARI 2020–21: Minus–23 (in 56 games)
ARI 2019–20: Plus–8
PIT 2018–19: Plus–32
So he was on one pretty good Penguins playoff team, one decent Coyotes playoff team, and two really, really awful Coyotes teams, with the latest being apocalyptically terrible.
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08-19-2022, 03:15 PM
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#188
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Which type of player we need? Shooter, Passer or Defensive Forward.
It would be nice if we sign a bigger winger that can battle and shoot.
And I hope the player is good enough to be traded for a draft pick at the trade deadline if he won't succeed here.
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08-19-2022, 03:17 PM
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#189
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cral12
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Where's Ruzicka?
Do people think he'd clear waivers?
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08-19-2022, 03:26 PM
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#190
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by butterfly
Fast forward to future seasons. The Flames look like they're conference or Cup contenders and have cap space to acquire a deadline piece. Then we sit around and watch as their competitors improve themselves while they can't even appear to do anything. Maybe these future years are seller's markets with few teams already having given up on the season and that's the price for someone like, say, Artturi Lehkonen.
They should have forced Montreal to choose which pick they wanted and retained the flexibility to have options on decision making instead of giving up that ability.
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In that scenario, they'd just trade a conditional 2025 or 2026 1st instead if they really coveted a player. I feel like this whole "disastrous" scenario is the epitome of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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08-19-2022, 03:26 PM
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#191
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by D as in David
Where's Ruzicka?
Do people think he'd clear waivers?
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Currently an unsigned RFA
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08-19-2022, 03:31 PM
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#192
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by butterfly
I was complaining about the Monahan trade, not the Tkachuk trade.
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I know, I just don’t think it impacts them making a big acquisition the way you’re worried it will.
Then again, if anyone here is gonna be overly sensitive about a butterfly effect…
Last edited by GreenLantern2814; 08-19-2022 at 03:33 PM.
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08-19-2022, 03:31 PM
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#193
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I would rather sign someone for free now and let them acclimate to the team during camp than wait to pay for someone at the deadline and risk them not meshing (Jarnkrok).
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08-19-2022, 03:35 PM
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#194
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I would rather sign someone for free now and let them acclimate to the team during camp than wait to pay for someone at the deadline and risk them not meshing (Jarnkrok).
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Jarnkrok was fine. He was a meme of offensive inadequacy, but he was a perfectly cromulent veteran #4C PK guy.
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08-19-2022, 03:36 PM
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#195
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Franchise Player
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I'm sure Treliving would prefer to sign someone now than have to make a mid-season trade, he's always said that he builds his teams in the summer.
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08-19-2022, 03:46 PM
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#196
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Kessel is -81 the last four years.
He is the literal embodiment of empty calories at this point.
I’d still take him as a rental, but not for a full season.
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That's the type of number that'll make a great golf champion! 4! 
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08-19-2022, 03:48 PM
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#197
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I wonder if Weegar is proving to be a too difficult (meaning expensive) sign and he's the one that might be traded?
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Doesn't seem like it, he just posted this on his Instagram story
https://twitter.com/user/status/1560744248470753281
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08-19-2022, 03:53 PM
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#198
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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Out of thanks, but that is awesome to see...LOL
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08-19-2022, 03:59 PM
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#199
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
In that scenario, they'd just trade a conditional 2025 or 2026 1st instead if they really coveted a player. I feel like this whole "disastrous" scenario is the epitome of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Well, it isn't disastrous if you can have multiple conditions on the same pick. If that's true, thank you for teaching me. Has it ever been done before?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Then again, if anyone here is gonna be overly sensitive about a butterfly effect…
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I laughed. 
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08-19-2022, 03:59 PM
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#200
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Kessel is -81 the last four years.
He is the literal embodiment of empty calories at this point.
I’d still take him as a rental, but not for a full season.
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You'd take him as a rental, so flames would need to spend assets vs signing him as a UFA now for free?
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