2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yup the big sources aren't confirming it. It also screams of NYI people wanting to be right because their team is boring and just treading water of late, so they're hyping this up as much as possible.

Also GMs guessing where a guy will end up doesn't mean that's what's happening. They're just making educated guesses based on hearsay.

No doubts the two camps have had serious discussions but again NYI can't outright make this signing, they have to move things around and it's yet to be seen if they can make it happen.

I'm sure that if there was a simple solution to free up the money they'd have done it.

GM's being sure of it might also be due to Lou working hard to move money and GM's connecting the dots. In which case it works against him, as any GM that knows he is playing a weak hand (like once the contract is registered with the NHL he will be over the cap and forced to make a deal) will be trying to fleece him on the salary dump. He played his strategy out prior with the announce everything all at once, it's not guaranteed to work again, as GM's don't have the memory of a goldfish.

[ComixZone]

The more I look at NYI...the more I think CGY/NYI deal surrounding Hanifin and Barzal may make some sense.

We know Lou is defence first. If they acquire Hanifin, their top-4 is Hanifin, Dobson, Pulock, and Pelech with Sorokin in net. That's probably the best positioned defence/goaltending in the league.

The trade would also allow them to gain $2.05M in cap-space this year - and then with signing Kadri, it locks them in to Kadri + Nelson as their top-six centres for probably a combined $13M 0 $13.5M, whereas Barzal's qualifying offer next summer is $10M.

Calgary also just acquired Weegar, and while having a ridiculous amount of depth on the blue line is important - if you can address a lack of centre depth and still maintain very good depth on the blue line? Well, you do it.

To NYI: Noah Hanifin, 2023 2nd round pick, 2024 3rd round pick
To CGY: Mathew Barzal

I don't think that's a crazy idea.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The more I look at NYI...the more I think CGY/NYI deal surrounding Hanifin and Barzal may make some sense.

We know Lou is defence first. If they acquire Hanifin, their top-4 is Hanifin, Dobson, Pulock, and Pelech with Sorokin in net. That's probably the best positioned defence/goaltending in the league.

The trade would also allow them to gain $2.05M in cap-space this year - and then with signing Kadri, it locks them in to Kadri + Lee as their top-six centres for probably a combined $14M, whereas Barzal's qualifying offer next summer is $10M.

Calgary also just acquired Weegar, and while having a ridiculous amount of depth on the blue line is important - if you can address a lack of centre depth and still maintain very good depth on the blue line? Well, you do it.

To NYI: Noah Hanifin, 2023 2nd round pick, 2024 3rd round pick
To CGY: Mathew Barzal

I don't think that's a crazy idea.

I could see this as well. Seems like a good fit for both teams.

The only hesitation I see is that the Islanders don’t really have a player to replace Barzal as their #1 center. It seems like a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. It seems short-sighted of them to replace Barzal (25 years old) with Kadri (32 years old).

The flames however would be trading from a position of strength since they have a lot of solid defencemen.

Would love to get Barzal though. I think he would thrive in Calgary. He’s a playmaking center with skill and tons of speed. Feels like exactly what the flames need.


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[Vinny01]

I don’t see the Islanders wanting Hanifin when they have Pulock, Dobson, Romanov, Pelech in their top 4. They didn’t give up the 13th pick in the draft to have Romanov on the third pair.

If the Flames are getting Barzal I think it would be a pure cap dump for the Islanders so they would want a package around Coronato ++ coming back. Maybe Dube + Coronato + 2nd that turns into a 1st if the Flames make the conference finals? Islanders sign Kadri, Bellows, Dobson, Romanov with their current space and the 5-7M they clear from the Barzal trade.

Hanifin for Barzal doesn’t make much sense for them and doesn’t clear enough cap space

[bax]

Hanifin, Pulock, Pelech, and Dobson is the best top 4 in the league?

Maybe I’m terribly uninformed, but I wouldn’t even have that group in the top 10?

[Flames_F.T.W]

Barzal would be my dream pickup after watching our many below average skaters in the forward ranks. However I can't see the Islanders moving him unless there's a similar centre going back, otherwise they create a glaring hole in their lineup. Kadri is waaaaay too old to be their Barzal replacement

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You’re under the impression that Stones agent doesn’t hear from any other teams?

Ha. Maybe. I probably overvalue him...but Stone is 3 years younger and just to pick some numbers....Stone hovers around 50 CF% vs JJ not seeing 50% since 2012 and usually sits low 40's although he gets a lot of Dzone starts.

But are you saying he turns down other offers and instead stays by the phone in Calgary in hopes Treliving calls and gives him minimum for the chance to practice daily with the scratches? He could very well be doing that to stay close to home, but I think given his lack of games recently, Calgary is his only option.
He isn't on the radar of other teams. A hidden gem.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Barzal would be my dream pickup after watching our many below average skaters in the forward ranks. However I can't see the Islanders moving him unless there's a similar centre going back, otherwise they create a glaring hole in their lineup. Kadri is waaaaay too old to be their Barzal replacement

Huberdeau was way too old to be our Tkachuk replacement.

It just wouldn't surprise me if Lou made that sort of trade if he's not in love with the idea of paying Barzal next summer. If they make a move of Hanifin, Picks, and Kadri in while Barzal goes out - hard to argue they aren't a better team for this coming season.

Now a .86 PPG centre who is 25 years old would be costly acquisition-wise, but a 25 year old top-pairing defenceman is a good cornerstone piece in a trade for that centre. I'd certainly be surprised to see the Islanders trade Barzal, but I could see it happening if Kadri is going in there and the return is right.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

It was mentioned before by someone on here, but Barzal's QO is $10MM so pretty similar to Tkachuk in that unless it's a sign/trade or you have a long term deal agreed to ahead of time, you likely don't go after him.

[Tbull8]

https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifyi.../mathew-barzal

The rule is actually 120% of his AAV, regardless of his 10MM salary.

So with an AAV of 7MM his QO would only be 8.4MM. I could see Brad locking him up for longterm at slightly less. 8x8, same as Robert Thomas

[Harry Lime]

Put me in the camp that doesn't see Barzal moving. Lou seems willing to move Beauvillier, and I think in a Hanafin trade it is the Isle who is adding. They have a very good bottom pairing RD in Mayfield, basically a Gudbranson replacement. They also block Aatu Raty for years at centre if they sign Kadri.

Hanifin for Beauvillier, Mayfield and Raty makes all of the money work for everybody.

Raty is second in scoring at the WJC, plays in a men's league in Finland and is a natural replacement for Monahan or Backlund in a year. Mayfield is a big hitting defensive defensman. Beauvillier plays both wings in the top nine.

[Monahammer]

Hell yes, now we're cooking. Barzal!

Hanifin+Coronato for barzal extended. I know this is more than most people but I'd do it.

Barzal-Huberdeau-Weegar > Gaudreau-Tkachuk-Hanifin IMO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifyi.../mathew-barzal

The rule is actually 120% of his AAV, regardless of his 10MM salary.

So with an AAV of 7MM his QO would only be 8.4MM. I could see Brad locking him up for longterm at slightly less. 8x8, same as Robert Thomas

How soon could Barzal even sign an extension?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hell yes, now we're cooking. Barzal!

Hanifin+Coronato for barzal extended. I know this is more than most people but I'd do it.

Barzal-Huberdeau-Weegar > Gaudreau-Tkachuk-Hanifin IMO.

We shouldn't have to add that much.

Hanifin has the better contract and had 48 points last year compared to Barzal's 59.

At most I'd want to add a second and really I wouldn't want to add at all

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

We shouldn't have to add that much.

Hanifin has the better contract and had 48 points last year compared to Barzal's 59.

At most I'd want to add a second and really I wouldn't want to add at all

Islanders have a blueline full of young talent where their forwards are aging. I don’t see why they make that trade. It makes all kinds of sense for Calgary but little for the islanders.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Islanders have a blueline full of young talent where their forwards are aging. I don’t see why they make that trade. It makes all kinds of sense for Calgary but little for the islanders.

I just don't see a fit either to be honest - I was more speaking to value wise.

Based on value from a player and contract status perspective it's a pretty even trade.

But the Islanders don't really have a need for another d-man, and I'm not they are open to moving Barzal for any package.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Islanders have a blueline full of young talent where their forwards are aging. I don’t see why they make that trade. It makes all kinds of sense for Calgary but little for the islanders.

It gives them a #1 LHD and some pick capital for a centre that has 1 year deal left.

The Islanders are also (by most accounts) about to sign Kadri. Does it make sense for them to have Barzal - Kadri - Nelson?

(also I still can't believe they gave up what they gave up for Romanov, that one makes no sense to me).

Yeah, it's unlikely but I see it making some sense given how poorly last season went for them.

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I think the Isles will move one of Barzal or Nelson to the wing if Kadri signs there

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It gives them a #1 LHD and some pick capital for a centre that has 1 year deal left.

The Islanders are also (by most accounts) about to sign Kadri. Does it make sense for them to have Barzal - Kadri - Nelson?

(also I still can't believe they gave up what they gave up for Romanov, that one makes no sense to me).

Yeah, it's unlikely but I see it making some sense given how poorly last season went for them.

That’s where I come back to a Coronato based deal making the most sense for the Islanders. Hanifin doesn’t clear enough space only $2M. If the Flames can dump Lucic they could send a package like Ruzicka, Coronato, 1st/2nd round pick to give the Islanders $7M in space. Coronato gives them a solid young forward for the future and gives the flames a speedy top line center to pair with Huberdeau long term (Mangiapane-Lindholm form a pair and Backlund-Coleman stay together).

I love the thought of getting Barzal I think he is a great fit and possibly available but for the islanders they likely want space and talent up front to entice them. I agree the Romanov deal doesn’t make sense but they made that deal to have him in the top 4.

I think Hanifin starts the season here and is maybe dealt in season or next summer but I don’t think he is here long term

[dammage79]

I'd assume the FLA 2025/26 1st is burning a hole in trees pocket.

I'd go something like:

To NYI:
D.Dube
N.Hanifin
2025/26 FLA 1st
2023 CGY 2nd


To CGY:
M.Barzal
A.Raty

Just spitballing.

The aftermath of it all is moving Looch I think.

I just don't think the Isles are all that enamored with Barzal.
Someone pointed out that their fanbase and reporters aren't too keen on him lately so maybe he comes in cheaper.

I like Barzal but his GAF meter needs an upgrade. Still want him on the team though.