08-14-2022, 01:45 PM
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#381
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
It very likely will end badly, but the key is the next 2-3 seasons.
We have one of the best coaches in the league
We have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime
We have one of the top D cores in the league
If we're going for it....then let's go for it.
No point in scrimping on the forward group when everything else is set up to win now because we're worried about how a Kadri contract might look 4, 5, or 6+ years from now.
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Both our defense and goaltending are top tier as we speak and we don't know how long that will hold true. 2, 3 years?
Absolutely no sense in sitting on a forward group with a hole in the top six and banking on internal improvement. Give this group everything it needs so there are no excuses later about what more you could have done while we were elite on the blue line and in net.
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08-14-2022, 01:51 PM
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#382
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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You add Kadri to a center group that includes Lindholm and Backlund you have 3 guys who are known to be solid defensive players who can also be strong offensive contributors.
I would argue that the team would be even more tailored to Sutter (than last years team) if they can pull off adding Kadri to the group.
The team’s window would be small but I think they would have all the makings of a cup contender for the next 1-3 years
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08-14-2022, 01:55 PM
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#383
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
It very likely will end badly, but the key is the next 2-3 seasons.
We have one of the best coaches in the league
We have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime
We have one of the top D cores in the league
If we're going for it....then let's go for it.
No point in scrimping on the forward group when everything else is set up to win now because we're worried about how a Kadri contract might look 4, 5, or 6+ years from now.
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I guess my perspective is, we have to pick a lane. Determine a direction and go for it.
So I agree, if we're going for it, then lets not resort to half-measures and go for it.
If we're not going for it, then burn it to the ground and start over.
Look, I have no sympathy for the Chicago Blackhawks. That is a team that sucks out loud at the moment, is littered with bad contracts, etc.
But when they come to work in the mornings they walk past 3 recent Championships. Such is the nature of sports.
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08-14-2022, 02:03 PM
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#384
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by UKflames
Unlikely to happen, but what happens if Lucic decides to retire? Any cap implications to the flames, does he have to pay back the SB part of his contract?
Might have missed this if discussed earlier.
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Did anyone answer this? Scrolled not sure if I missed it and also interested!
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08-14-2022, 02:04 PM
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#385
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Recently?
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08-14-2022, 02:15 PM
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#386
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mull
Did anyone answer this? Scrolled not sure if I missed it and also interested!
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I would think if Lucic was retiring, we would know by now. He also seems to have embraced his role over the past few seasons and seems to be having fun.
As for the SB, I can’t see him having to pay anything back if he retired. The SB isn’t an advance, but what he was owed on that date. Some people mentioned that the amount would still be applied to the cap as well, but I can’t find anything online that confirms that.
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08-14-2022, 02:30 PM
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#387
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I guess my perspective is, we have to pick a lane. Determine a direction and go for it.
So I agree, if we're going for it, then lets not resort to half-measures and go for it.
If we're not going for it, then burn it to the ground and start over.
Look, I have no sympathy for the Chicago Blackhawks. That is a team that sucks out loud at the moment, is littered with bad contracts, etc.
But when they come to work in the mornings they walk past 3 recent Championships. Such is the nature of sports.
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Yes, if Flames win 3 Cups in next 5 or 6 years, I wouldn't care if they suck out loud and littered with bad contracts after that.
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08-14-2022, 02:36 PM
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#388
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by midniteowl
Yes, if Flames win 3 Cups in next 5 or 6 years, I wouldn't care if they suck out loud and littered with bad contracts after that.
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I’ll take just one.
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08-14-2022, 02:37 PM
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#389
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Lifetime Suspension
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Yeah lol let's start with one. I'll take that.
Let's not Oiler/Maclean it up in here with talks of dynasties before you've made one finals appearance.
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08-14-2022, 02:51 PM
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#390
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Yeah lol let's start with one. I'll take that.
Let's not Oiler/Maclean it up in here with talks of dynasties before you've made one finals appearance.
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I was referencing the Blackhawks past, not the Flames' potential future and talking about they cyclical nature of sports and that, yes, nobody gets to be awesome forever.
You accept some long-term pain for short-term gain and make peace with it.
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08-14-2022, 02:51 PM
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#391
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Yes, I'll take one as well. The reason I said 3 was just referring to Chicago winning 3 and now they just suck.
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08-14-2022, 03:15 PM
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#392
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I would think if Lucic was retiring, we would know by now. He also seems to have embraced his role over the past few seasons and seems to be having fun.
As for the SB, I can’t see him having to pay anything back if he retired. The SB isn’t an advance, but what he was owed on that date. Some people mentioned that the amount would still be applied to the cap as well, but I can’t find anything online that confirms that.
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Since it was money paid for this years service, it’s hard to imagine that it wouldn’t count against the cap.
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08-14-2022, 03:55 PM
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#394
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Knut
But there were Eye Emojis. Why isn’t this done yet?
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From Leslie?
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08-14-2022, 04:16 PM
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#395
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Since it was money paid for this years service, it’s hard to imagine that it wouldn’t count against the cap.
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I thought it was just a signing bonus with increments to be paid out over time? If it counts as salary for services to be rendered, then is it subject to escrow too?
Wouldn’t any signing bonus no matter when it was paid count towards the cap in that last year then? I am having trouble understanding why a signing bonus should count against the cap if a player retires. Has this happened before? Hypothetically, if a free agent signed a one year deal with a signing bonus but then retired before playing a game, would the team have to carry that salary cap for the rest of the season?
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 08-14-2022 at 04:19 PM.
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08-14-2022, 04:27 PM
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#396
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Signing bonuses are counted towards escrow, or else that would really be unfair. All the regular players would be paying for what the stars and their bonuses weren’t paying because of their bonuses
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08-14-2022, 04:28 PM
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#397
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I wonder if the Flames and Lucic would mutually agree to terminate the contract.
I think in that case the Flames wouldn’t have any cap hit, Lucic could sign a 1 year, $1M deal wherever he wants (Boston), and Lucic likely isn’t out any money because he was only owed $1M for next year anyways.
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08-14-2022, 04:32 PM
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#398
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
Signing bonuses are counted towards escrow, or else that would really be unfair. All the regular players would be paying for what the stars and their bonuses weren’t paying because of their bonuses
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I don’t think that is right though. I recall some people mentioning this when Tkachuk signed his deal as it basically minimized the amount of escrow he would pay into.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/...p1a8v24yvggd3v
Maybe this is dated information, but as late as last season, signing and performance bonuses were not subject to escrow according to the above link.
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08-14-2022, 04:37 PM
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#399
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
It very likely will end badly, but the key is the next 2-3 seasons.
We have one of the best coaches in the league
We have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime
We have one of the top D cores in the league
If we're going for it....then let's go for it.
No point in scrimping on the forward group when everything else is set up to win now because we're worried about how a Kadri contract might look 4, 5, or 6+ years from now.
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Kadris contract did worry me, but at this point, I think they should go all in. Their prime window is the next 2 years. The top 6 is definitely their weak point, and a guy like Kadri could definitely help that. If they got a motivated Kadri like Colorado did, I think they would be in a good spot depth wise. Just hope that motivation wouldn't be gone after signing a big contract and just winning a cup. Kadri seems like a pretty fiery guy though, I think that is something the team could use more of.
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08-14-2022, 04:41 PM
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#400
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I wonder if the Flames and Lucic would mutually agree to terminate the contract.
I think in that case the Flames wouldn’t have any cap hit, Lucic could sign a 1 year, $1M deal wherever he wants (Boston), and Lucic likely isn’t out any money because he was only owed $1M for next year anyways.
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I don’t think that is allowed under the CBA but may be wrong. Otherwise it’s too obvious of an idea for both parties I would think
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