Lucic Bruins rumour

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well me neither but if it gets back a top end player locked up long term its totally worth it....especially if protected



people act like the top 32 picks will all be superstars....they won't

By definition they won't. Do the odds at 10/5 yrs. Not good

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[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

…he’s right next to Kadri! Your eyes! Your eyes!

Oh yeah! Sorry, I really need to have my eyes check.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I really don't want to trade our 2023 1st.

Me neither, but if you get a locked up Pastrnak for that I do that trade 100 times over. I think Boston is going into a massive rebuild here. They have a large number of UFAs after this year and their key pieces of Marchand and Bergeron will be gone or falling off a cliff. I think it is unlikely they move Pastrnak but with a 1st round pick offered in an elite draft they may consider it.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Monday Prediction:

To BOS: Milan Lucic ($500K retained), 2023 2nd, 2024 4th, 2024 7th
To CGY: Taylor Hall

To NYI: Sean Monahan
To CGY: Future Considerations

Bruins do it to gain assets, bring bacj Lucic, and clear themselves of $1.25M of cap this season + $6M for the two seasons after.

Islanders do it because they lose out on Kadri…

Flames sign Nazem Kadri to a 6 year deal worth $7.25M AAV

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Hall - Kadri - Toffoli
Dube - Backlund - Coleman
Pelletier - Ruzicka - Rooney
Lewis

Hanifin - Andersson
Zadarov - Weegar
Kylington - Tanev
Valimaki

Markstrom
Vladar

As The Summer of Tree comes to a close.

I would be in support of this, not sure Boston does that deal for Hall, they may want more.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Me neither, but if you get a locked up Pastrnak for that I do that trade 100 times over. I think Boston is going into a massive rebuild here. They have a large number of UFAs after this year and their key pieces of Marchand and Bergeron will be gone or falling off a cliff. I think it is unlikely they move Pastrnak but with a 1st round pick offered in an elite draft they may consider it.

Pastrnak would bring in considerably more than a first round pick, especially if signed.

Tkachuk likely brought in the equivalent of about 4 first round picks.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Pastrnak would bring in considerably more than a first round pick, especially if signed.

Tkachuk likely brought in the equivalent of about 4 first round picks.

Absolutely, I had mentioned previously about package it with Zary and Valimaki. But that still may not be enough.

[jayswin]

Man, we kind of went from discussing what the realistic Lucic trade could look like to complete EA fantasy trades where we get stars back without giving up much, lol.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Man, we kind of went from discussing what the realistic Lucic trade could look like to complete EA fantasy trades where we get stars back without giving up much, lol.

So, the Tkachuk trade?

[Mull]

Anyone know about this source /story regarding two weeks ago BT eating cap?

According to one NHL source just under two weeks ago, Calgary Flames general manager Brad Treliving could be willing to eat some of that cap hit if the Bruins sweetened the deal and he didn’t get whacked on contracts for forward Andrew Mangiapane and defenseman Oliver Kylington, two RFA’s headed for arbitration. Since then, Mangiapane signed a three-year, $17.4 million contract ($5.8M AAV), and Kylington signed a two-year, $5 million contract ($2.5 AAV). The Flames are now $2.7 million below the salary cap

Our man on the Flames beat for Calgary Hockey Now, Steve Macfarlane addressed the Lucic NHL trade rumors Friday night:

‘Lucic was a strong piece of the leadership core in Calgary last season. And while his salary-cap hit is a significant burden, it comes off the books next year and largely eats up the big Jonathan Huberdeau raise.

There’s no urgent need to move him.

Unless they’re looking to add another larger salary, of course.

We know the Calgary Flames are looking to compete for a Stanley Cup sooner and worry about the later … later.’

https://bostonhockeynow.com/2022/08/...rending-again/

[dustygoon]

If we move out Lucic to make way for something else here this year, and that something else is signed next year too, then it needs to be ~$6mm or so for 2023/24 or something else comes off the roster.

[Vinny01]

I feel like a deal could be made if a third team eats half of Lucic’s salary and Boston can also send that team Folgino. Sweeteners from both sides to the third team. Flames could potentially sign Kadri while the Bruins continue to add pieces from their cup winning team

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I feel like a deal could be made if a third team eats half of Lucic’s salary and Boston can also send that team Folgino. Sweeteners from both sides to the third team. Flames could potentially sign Kadri while the Bruins continue to add pieces from their cup winning team

It all just seems so unreal that looch could be moved and won't cost us a big pick. I like looch, but if he moves and we can sign an impact player for the next 3 years that would be amazing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Man, we kind of went from discussing what the realistic Lucic trade could look like to complete EA fantasy trades where we get stars back without giving up much, lol.

The one thing I could offer to maybe justify the horrible trade value in that BOS/CGY deal is Boston is over the cap today, and the trade reduces their cap this season by $1.25M but also reduces it by $6M next season - and next season they are likely lined up to be hit with a $4.5M bonus overage because of Krejci and Bergeron’s current deals.

…but yeah, it’s not good value. We also have seen crazier things like Pacioretty being traded with a sweetener just to move his one year due to cap considerations.

[Bingo]

I think Lucic has always had value. He's not replacement value due to some of his unique intangibles.

He's not a $5.75M player so to move him you'd need a sweetener.

But at $3.75M he's not all that overpaid and the sweetener would be much smaller or non existent depending on how teams value his leadership and uber-toughness.

If the Bruins want him it wouldn't surprise me if the Flames don't have to do much more than retain.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think Lucic has always had value. He's not replacement value due to some of his unique intangibles.

He's not a $5.75M player so to move him you'd need a sweetener.

But at $3.75M he's not all that overpaid and the sweetener would be much smaller or non existent depending on how teams value his leadership and uber-toughness.

If the Bruins want him it wouldn't surprise me if the Flames don't have to do much more than retain.

You say this like retaining a couple mill isn’t a massive deal on its own. Even if only one year


Trading lucic gives the flames cap space of 8 mill.

Retaining 2mill means a lesser quality player can get signed this year

[transplant99]

Im not sure that is true.

Yes he surprised many with his performance at times earlier in the season, but the last quarter of the season and in the playoffs, he was flat out invisible.

Im not sure if that was due to him slowing down after the grind of the year, or if he was nursing something that limited him or the increase of game intensity. Likely some of all those things, but in no way was he anywhere near a 3.75M dollar player. He was a liability in fact. 3 pts in his last regular season 23 games, a minus player, and his skating slowed noticeably, which was hard to do.

In the playoffs he was the worst Flames forward bar none and was given ice time accordingly.

I think he is done entirely, so if the Flames can move him it's addition by subtraction for his hockey ability. No one can replace the toughness factor he could bring but even that was hard to spot down the stretch and into the post season. So to get someone to eat that with "just retention" and a team he would waive for, is going to be very difficult IMO. Particularly this year where there just isnt much cap room among the large majority of teams.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mull

You say this like retaining a couple mill isn’t a massive deal on its own. Even if only one year


Trading lucic gives the flames cap space of 8 mill.

Retaining 2mill means a lesser quality player can get signed this year

Absolutely.

But I'm not necessarily sure Kadri is in play. The Flames have 2.75M now and could be eyeing a $5M player and need to find a little more space.

You can do that with a serviceable Lucic and retaining.

[Freeway]

The Flames probably have $1.26M of cap space as they'll probably carry a full 23-man roster and even if they bury Valimaki in the AHL, that would carry a $425K cap penalty.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The Flames probably have $1.26M of cap space as they'll probably carry a full 23-man roster and even if they bury Valimaki in the AHL, that would carry a $425K cap penalty.

You would think with the AHL team right down the hallway, they wouldn't need to do this....no?

[bigpete]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im not sure that is true.

Yes he surprised many with his performance at times earlier in the season, but the last quarter of the season and in the playoffs, he was flat out invisible.

Im not sure if that was due to him slowing down after the grind of the year, or if he was nursing something that limited him or the increase of game intensity. Likely some of all those things, but in no way was he anywhere near a 3.75M dollar player. He was a liability in fact. 3 pts in his last regular season 23 games, a minus player, and his skating slowed noticeably, which was hard to do.

In the playoffs he was the worst Flames forward bar none and was given ice time accordingly.

I think he is done entirely, so if the Flames can move him it's addition by subtraction for his hockey ability. No one can replace the toughness factor he could bring but even that was hard to spot down the stretch and into the post season. So to get someone to eat that with "just retention" and a team he would waive for, is going to be very difficult IMO. Particularly this year where there just isnt much cap room among the large majority of teams.

It was reported after the season that he had been nursing an AC joint sprain (shoulder).