Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Homophobic much?

No you? Pathetic.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Living on your knees is also suboptimal, but I can see how you’re used to it.

Blackface Mr. Dressup living rent free in your head! lol

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No you? Pathetic.

I am sure you meant something else by it, right?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Living on your knees is also suboptimal, but I can see how you’re used to it.

No one in Canada is living on their knees. Why has conservatism devolved into live action role playing freedom fighters? How much gas lighting is required to get to the ever present existential crisis many seem to live in?

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557940028411633664

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557940028411633664

Clickbait.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No you? Pathetic.

If you’re not being homophobic please explain to us just watching this conversation exactly what you meant by “living on your knees “

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mull

If you’re not being homophobic please explain to us just watching this conversation exactly what you meant by “living on your knees “

To be fair isn't that similar to the use of being bent over which is commonly used in a non-homophobic way of saying you are getting screwed? I'm not saying I agree with his post or anything but I don't think there is homophobic intent there but I could be wrong.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mull

That's all very rational and likely correct, I don't know. I still think if he wins the nomination he wins the general election.

My view is not rational at all except my vibe about who wins is nearly almost always correct. I was wrong about Trump winning in 2016 and Erin loosing the last federal election. I think the hate for Justin has only increased since the last election.

There is a lot of HATE for Justin right now, PP disgusts people but no one hates him. People vote hard on hate. Throw in the demise of the PPC and currently polling.

As I say- super sound data science based using my "vibe" ha ha

This is entirely possible.

But its hard to understand how despised Trump and his ilk are in the populous parts of Ontario. Now I'm not saying PP is Trump or anything, but I don't think its hard for the Liberals to use his Convoy support and other rhetoric and paint him in that way. And that's a death knell in a lot of places the Conservatives need to win seats.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Azure

Many of the legit issues with Trudeau were there in the last election as well, and O'Toole was a decent candidate, so I have zero hope that Canadians would overlook anything Trudeau does in terms of corruption, scandal's, etc....and I think if PP wins, it'll be because the Liberals have grown stagnant from being in power so long, and if you look at history, that is generally when there is a change of power.

Still amazing to me how Canadians gave Trudeau a pass on the corruption when there was a clear alternative.

But also amazing that the CPC didn't realize that McKay would have been the better leader.

O'Toole was fine during the campaign, but people also pay attention during the Conservative leadership campaign when he was trying to appeal to the wacky wing of the Conservatives. That leads to voters thinking the moderate O'Toole of the election campaign isn't real.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Azure

Many of the legit issues with Trudeau were there in the last election as well, and O'Toole was a decent candidate, so I have zero hope that Canadians would overlook anything Trudeau does in terms of corruption, scandal's, etc....and I think if PP wins, it'll be because the Liberals have grown stagnant from being in power so long, and if you look at history, that is generally when there is a change of power.

Still amazing to me how Canadians gave Trudeau a pass on the corruption when there was a clear alternative.

But also amazing that the CPC didn't realize that McKay would have been the better leader.

I don't think he was. He was as much a bumbling idiot as Scheer IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

O’Toole was right about one thing - the Conservatives need to ask themselves if they want to be a party that can win a federal election, or if they want to be the NDP of the right.

20 per cent or so of Canadians have been sucked into MAGA-style populism, and suffer from a delusion that they can carry out a successful overthrow of Canada’s institutions. They can’t. But they are numerous and motivated enough to take over the federal Conservatives and make them unelectable.

The best thing that could happen to Canadian politics is for the PPC to gain enough prominence that the nutbars are drawn to them, leaving the Conservatives to stake out the centre-right without scaring the normies. Pretty tough for that to happen with first-past-the-post, though.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Mull

If you’re not being homophobic please explain to us just watching this conversation exactly what you meant by “living on your knees “

Begging?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Mull

If you’re not being homophobic please explain to us just watching this conversation exactly what you meant by “living on your knees “

It means being weak, a supplicant.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...-on-your-knees

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/on-your-knees

These threads are antagonistic enough without people assuming the worst possible intent from those they disagree with.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It means being weak, a supplicant.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...-on-your-knees

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/on-your-knees

These threads are antagonistic enough without people assuming the worst possible intent from those they disagree with.

I don't agree this poster posts in good faith at all, hence I asked the question after another user ask the same question and they didn't directly answer it.

When one post in bad faith in an on-going basis, people assume the worse intent. It's not just a reflection on myself, but one on the poster and their post history as well, despite your attempts to deflect from that. I still didn’t directly “assume” the worse - I asked them to clarify

EDIT: Your comment in responding to a comment about the exact same poster I was referring to:

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A third of the people who post about politics on this forum aren’t trying to have an honest dialogue .

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Mull

I don't agree this poster posts in good faith at all, hence I asked the question after another user ask the same question and they didn't directly answer it.

When one post in bad faith in an on-going basis, people assume the worse intent. It's not just a reflection on myself, but one on the poster and their post history as well, despite your attempts to deflect from that. I still didn’t directly “assume” the worse - I asked them to clarify

EDIT: Your comment in responding to a comment about the exact same poster I was referring to:

If you think someone is acting in bad faith, what do you hope to achieve by engaging with them?

If we’re going to drum out everyone in the politics threads who post nothing but low-effort partisan tweets and links, that’ll be a very long list.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The best thing that could happen to Canadian politics is for the PPC to gain enough prominence that the nutbars are drawn to them, leaving the Conservatives to stake out the centre-right without scaring the normies. Pretty tough for that to happen with first-past-the-post, though.

It's amazing to me they looked at last election and said nope, we need these 5% voters - to the right we move!

Sooner or later those that vote Blue always will start moving away from the CPC (or quit showing up altogether) and the only people left for the CPC to count on will be Yoho.

I'm youngish. I voted CPC for the majority of my voting life. But the last time i voted for them was Harper - and even his last election had me holding my nose a bit.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Living on your knees is also suboptimal, but I can see how you’re used to it.

First, I understand you meant this in the "rather die on my feet than live on my knees" sense, don't think you had any other ill intent - not that this isn't still an ad hominem non sequitur in the sense you intended, though.

Second, let's address the non sequitur:

1. You deride a "Liberal" supporting Charest.
2. I point out that this is not the problem you think it is, as getting support outside the base of a party is helpful if you want to win elections.
3. You retort not that you'd rather lose elections than sully the purity of your convictions (or some other seemingly logical argument), but that I'm meekly submitting to.... something. And I like it!

Do you see how #3 does not follow from #1 and #2? This is not how you win arguments and influence people. This is how you look like either a reflexive memebot or emotionally invested fanatic. You are actively sabotaging the spread of the worldview you espouse by appearing so. Nobody wants to join the cult unless you're offering more than random tweets and rage.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It's amazing to me they looked at last election and said nope, we need these 5% voters - to the right we move!

Sooner or later those that vote Blue always will start moving away from the CPC (or quit showing up altogether) and the only people left for the CPC to count on will be Yoho.

I'm youngish. I voted CPC for the majority of my voting life. But the last time i voted for them was Harper - and even his last election had me holding my nose a bit.

In Canada we don't actually have any good political parties to vote for, we just vote for the opposition to remove the current corrupt government and repeat.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by StickMan

In Canada we don't actually have any good political parties to vote for, we just vote for the opposition to remove the current corrupt government and repeat.

This is what happens in every country. I'd rather have the party that I agree with 50% of the time as opposed to 20% of the time. I don't think there's much chance that I'd find politicians or a party that I agree with on almost everything. I don't find that in my own family or job either.

If you found a party you thought was good, I'd probably be saying the exact thing you're saying right now because I would likely find them terrible and vice versa.