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Roof-Daddy · 08-11-2022, 03:52 PM

Back for my weekly "Don't trade any of the top 6 D please" input.

The D was solid last season, but IMO it punched a little above it's weight class. But now they've upgraded from Gudbranson to Weegar. That should help offset the loss of Tkachuk, having that added offensive push from the D but without taking away from their defensive abilities because Weegar is no slouch defensively either.

djsFlames · 08-11-2022, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Back for my weekly "Don't trade any of the top 6 D please" input.

The D was solid last season, but IMO it punched a little above it's weight class. But now they've upgraded from Gudbranson to Weegar. That should help offset the loss of Tkachuk, having that added offensive push from the D but without taking away from their defensive abilities because Weegar is no slouch defensively either.

Also Tkachuk was nearly a non-factor in important games so subtracting him doesn't lower the needle up front when the stakes get higher.

If Weegar can factor in positively at all the trade-off is an outright win.

Still could use another top 6 option.

Vinny01 · 08-11-2022, 04:42 PM

I think they should roll with the group they have into next season. Maybe trade Valimaki for a pick or similar type player from another organization. If they have room sign Milano or Stastny (especially if Monahan is not ready for camp). I don’t see any more blockbusters in the immediate future

djsFlames · 08-11-2022, 04:45 PM

I think Stastny would be a great pickup on a 1-2 year.

Just raises the team's floor at center, and is worst case an insurance on Monahan.

The 3rd line was probably consistently the weakest link up front. Having a solid C with experience who can help lead/drive that line would help the forward group as a whole.

Jarnkrok wasn't a natural C, and Ruzicka wasn't quite ready to be there full time. Stastny is a big upgrade there.

Vinny01 · 08-11-2022, 04:46 PM

No need to go more than 1 year. He could be done already so unless it is a Gio deal at the minimum salary I would only be offering a 1 year. Maybe even a PTO

Moneyhands23 · 08-11-2022, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think Stastny would be a great pickup on a 1-2 year.

Just raises the team's floor at center, and is worst case an insurance on Monahan.

I think you have to move Monahan to bring him in. Which I just don't see at this point.

djsFlames · 08-11-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

No need to go more than 1 year. He could be done already so unless it is a Gio deal at the minimum salary I would only be offering a 1 year. Maybe even a PTO

He had good numbers last season on an underwhelming team. Don't think he's done, unless he decides to bow out before the gas tank is empty.

JTech780 · 08-11-2022, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think Stastny would be a great pickup on a 1-2 year.

Just raises the team's floor at center, and is worst case an insurance on Monahan.

I like Stastny too, I would also look at Evan Rodrigues. Rodrigues was good last season at gaining the offensive zone, something I think this team could use more of, especially with Gaudreau gone.

MrMike · 08-11-2022, 04:55 PM

At this point all I want is Phil the Thril

FlamesAddiction · 08-11-2022, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

He had good numbers last season on an underwhelming team. Don't think he's done, unless he decides to bow out before the gas tank is empty.

He is still good at distributing the puck but doesn’t do much aside from that. Sutter would actually hate him. Sutter’s whole system revolves around versatility and possession. I can’t see Kessel doing well under Sutter at all.

I also agree with the posters that say don’t trade Hanifin. Unless it’s an absolute steal and we are getting a bonafide star back, I would prefer to go ahead with adequate forwards and and at least one area of the team that is stacked. Accrue that cap space during the season and hope that opportunity knocks.

I would consider Stastny if he came at a bargain. Rodrigues is so far a one hit wonder and I wouldn’t toss a lot at him either.

mile · 08-11-2022, 05:08 PM

Unfortunately I have a feeling that Stastny will sign with the Avs, if Kadri signs somewhere else as expected

Would really love to know who Treliving has in mind for the middle six C spot, might be someone we’re not talking about at all.

iggyloob12 · 08-11-2022, 05:16 PM

I'm over the Barzal trade takes or the here's-our-castoffs-for-a-very-useful-player proposals. When is training camp??

jayswin · 08-11-2022, 05:25 PM

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Barzal would potentially be a franchise changing acquisition. Once he gets out of the Islanders, I'd see him returning to being a PPG centre. A 1/2 punch of Lindholm/Barzal gives the Flames the best centre depth they've had since the early 90s.

If this is in any way possible, the Flames need to be in on this.

I would happily trade a first, Hanifin plus a good forward for Barzal. It likely wouldn't be enough, but man that might be the pick up that made us true contenders.

Moneyhands23 · 08-11-2022, 05:26 PM

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I would happily trade a first, Hanifin plus a good forward for Barzal. It likely wouldn't be enough, but man that might be the pick up that made us true contenders.

Yup... that's crazy

FlamesAddiction · 08-11-2022, 05:30 PM

Isn’t Barzal’s contract essentially setting him up to be the next Tkachuk? He is going to need a really high QO and all he has to do is accept it and then walk in a year.

powderjunkie · 08-11-2022, 05:38 PM

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In a vacuum, yes. We're not in a vacuum though, therefore you have to ask "how does creating a new hole on defence to add another center address our current hole at RW?"

This is probably my favourite thing about Tree. He doesn't seem to believe in creating new holes to fill current holes. It's kinda like that wise man FanIn80 once said... "if you have a hole in the ground, is digging a new hole right beside it the best way to fill it in?" Even worse, "if you have a hole in the ground, do you really want to dig a brand new hole right beside it, just to end up with two holes and a surplus pile of dirt that can't be used to fill either of them?"

I think the question might be whether there is a sufficient surplus at D to subtract? Including Weegar, I'd say we have four top-3 D-men, OK/Z are 4/5s, and then several 6/7 guys. Subtract 1 by trade and another by injury and it would suck, but still be manageable enough I think (and you can bolster a middle pair guy at TDL if necessary).

IMO 2/3C is the biggest hole short and long-term. Monahan/Ruzicka/Zary/Dubé/Rooney is already a bit of a hodge-podge for the bottom 6 C's. If any true C gets hurt (especially Lindy/Backlund) then we are in real trouble. Adding a Stastny or Rodrigues to that list would help, but if we could actually fill that 2/3C hole well then it's worth deep consideration.

Hanifin is secured for 2 more years at a nice number...I'm not sure how I'd feel about extending him at 6.5-7.5 though.

getbak · 08-11-2022, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Isn’t Barzal’s contract essentially setting him up to be the next Tkachuk? He is going to need a really high QO and all he has to do is accept it and then walk in a year.

Yeah, a $10 million QO next year.

...

No, wait, his contract was signed under the updated CBA, so his QO will be 120% of his previous cap hit, so it will only be $8.4 million.

That's still pretty high given his recent performance.

jayswin · 08-11-2022, 05:38 PM

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I would happily trade a first, Hanifin plus a good forward for Barzal. It likely wouldn't be enough, but man that might be the pick up that made us true contenders.

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Yup... that's crazy

Crazy as in overpayment?

SaskyFlamesFan · 08-11-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Back for my weekly "Don't trade any of the top 6 D please" input.

The D was solid last season, but IMO it punched a little above it's weight class. But now they've upgraded from Gudbranson to Weegar. That should help offset the loss of Tkachuk, having that added offensive push from the D but without taking away from their defensive abilities because Weegar is no slouch defensively either.

Yes depth is a good thing. Last year a Tanev injury completely wrecked our D. Having 7-8 capable NHLers isn’t a bad thing.

Moneyhands23 · 08-11-2022, 06:01 PM

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Crazy as in overpayment?

In my non gm opinion yes. Hanifin is a big deal I think. If he was a ufa this year he may have gotten 8x7.

I think that he is almost on par for a guy like Barzel. Especially considering hanifin has such a great contract during these 2 years of flat cap.

Barzel at 10 mil is only great if he is putting up 85+ pts and driving his line.

No way in helm do I add a 1st to that deal