Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I would suggest that a lot more people would vote for a bag of radioactive rocks to avoid PP as Prime Minister. He's a truly awful candidate. Any election with him as leader of the CPC basically means your best case scenario is a Liberal minority.

He will easily beat Trudeau

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, Trudeau is not great, which is why it's baffling the Conservatives can't find a way to beat him. Maybe PP will be different! probably not, though.

I always thought Patrick Brown would have done just fine in the polls. Unfortunately, he shot himself in the foot with his most recent money order scandal.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

He will easily beat Trudeau

Based on what?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Based on what?

Based on the National Post’s opinion pieces.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Based on what?

How the country has been ran into the ground.

Out East they will need someone to blame for their houses dropping 50% by next election.

The economy is in shambles and only giving hand outs to sheep isn’t going to do it anymore.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Yoho

How the country has been ran into the ground.

Out East they will need someone to blame for their houses dropping 50% by next election.

The economy is in shambles and only giving hand outs to sheep isn’t going to do it anymore.

We're all out here in shambles begging for the sweet Alberta oil money to save us.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yoho

How the country has been ran into the ground.

Out East they will need someone to blame for their houses dropping 50% by next election.

The economy is in shambles and only giving hand outs to sheep isn’t going to do it anymore.

I don't know if this is just wishful thinking or how you'd describe this. But in all honesty, it's pretty gross to hope the economy crashes and burns so that your preferred politicians might have a shot at office. I didn't vote for Trudeau that last couple times and frankly, as soon as the results are announced, I hope he does well and Canada does well.

The economy is not in shambles. Could it get there? Sure. But at this point, Canada seems like it's rolling along pretty well. Unemployment is not a huge issue. We're getting excellent prices for our energy and inflation is abating. Not exactly economic disaster because home prices (which have risen significantly!) are coming down.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557364856310956032

greenpeace!!!!!

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Slava

You'd think that, but then again he beat Harper, Scheer and O'Toole. At some point you can't blame the electorate and have to look inward as a party.

I think Pierre is going to look more foolish than you realise. It's one thing to sit in opposition and take shots at Trudeau. He's an easy target, being corrupt and with no real competence. But it's another to move from that to looking "Prime Ministerial". There's a cap on the number of people who want a PM who basically just shoots his mouth off without much in the way of facts, and it's very unappealing to a lot of voters.

That's all very rational and likely correct, I don't know. I still think if he wins the nomination he wins the general election.

My view is not rational at all except my vibe about who wins is nearly almost always correct. I was wrong about Trump winning in 2016 and Erin loosing the last federal election. I think the hate for Justin has only increased since the last election.

There is a lot of HATE for Justin right now, PP disgusts people but no one hates him. People vote hard on hate. Throw in the demise of the PPC and currently polling.

As I say- super sound data science based using my "vibe" ha ha

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mull

That's all very rational and likely correct, I don't know. I still think if he wins the nomination he wins the general election.

My view is not rational at all except my vibe about who wins is nearly almost always correct. I was wrong about Trump winning in 2016 and Erin loosing the last federal election.

There is a lot of HATE for Justin right now, PP disgusts people but no one hates him. People vote hard on hate. Throw in the demise of the PPC and currently polling.

As I say- super sound data science based using my "vibe" ha ha

I'd say it depends on if he can turn down the swarminess. Right now most people don't know him so they don't hate him. If he continues with his current act during an election campaign when people are paying attention - they will learn to hate him.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'd say it depends on if he can turn down the swarminess. Right now most people don't know him so they don't hate him. If he continues with his current act during an election campaign when people are paying attention - they will learn to hate him.

so my view is hate takes time:

• People HATED trump, not in the 2016 election but in the 2020 election. Yes people didn't like 2016 Trump, but the left truly hated him in 2020, and we got the largest amount of votes ever.

• People HATED Hillary, justified or not. And she had been around for a while making news in key high profile government position (i.e. secretary of state, what about her emails).

• People HATE Justin and PP's attack's will play hard into getting that hate vote. And voter turnout can matter more then polling when you're playing like this.

• PP beats Justin because of the hate vote, Justin's overall low approval nationwide, the demise of the PPC if PP wins, and PP isn't whishy washy like Erin

Again - I can't stand PP

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mull

That's all very rational and likely correct, I don't know. I still think if he wins the nomination he wins the general election.

My view is not rational at all except my vibe about who wins is nearly almost always correct. I was wrong about Trump winning in 2016 and Erin loosing the last federal election. I think the hate for Justin has only increased since the last election.

There is a lot of HATE for Justin right now, PP disgusts people but no one hates him. People vote hard on hate. Throw in the demise of the PPC and currently polling.

As I say- super sound data science based using my "vibe" ha ha

Sure, but isn't that mostly among people who wouldn't vote Liberal anyway? If you aren't flipping votes, you aren't going to win. PP has the disadvantage of being strongly distasteful and abrasive that is likely to turn off a lot of Canadians once they start to see more of him. I just don't see a lot of ground being made up with a personality like that.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Mull

so my view is hate takes time:

• People HATED trump, not in the 2016 election but in the 2020 election. Yes people didn't like 2016 Trump, but the left truly hated him in 2020, and we got the largest amount of votes ever.

• People HATED Hillary, justified or not. And she had been around for a while making news in key high profile government position (i.e. secretary of state, what about her emails).

• People HATE Justin and PP's attack's will play hard into getting that hate vote. And voter turnout can matter more then polling when you're playing like this.

• PP beats Justin because of the hate vote, Justin's overall low approval nationwide and PP isn't whishy washy like Erin

Again - I can't stand PP

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-july-2022/

I dunno my dude, people may not like Trudeau and the Liberals, but they certainly do not hate him east of Manitoba. And unfortunately that means another Liberally led country at the moment and probably in the future.

CPC is certainly disliked East of Ontario and PP is not well liked at all out East.

And unfortunately that's where it matters.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure, but isn't that mostly among people who wouldn't vote Liberal anyway? If you aren't flipping votes, you aren't going to win. PP has the disadvantage of being strongly distasteful and abrasive that is likely to turn off a lot of Canadians once they start to see more of him. I just don't see a lot of ground being made up with a personality like that.

I think you are flipping votes, specifically on the right via the PPC and on the left, with the NDP

Right now, polling shows votes flipped.

https://338canada.com/

But this actually isn't my point, its the cherry on the top. My point is hate will drive out a higher voter % then expected against Justin. Bringing "new" votes

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-july-2022/

I dunno my dude, people may not like Trudeau and the Liberals, but they certainly do not hate him east of Manitoba. And unfortunately that means another Liberally led country at the moment and probably in the future.

CPC is certainly disliked west of Ontario and PP is not well liked at all out East.

And unfortunately that's where it matters.

From your link this is what I am talking about, I wish they had this by province:
Note the election was OCt 2021

Spoiler!

Anyway, here I am on a message board defending what I already said was my irrational view that my vibe says PP beats Justin ha ha

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

How the country has been ran into the ground.

Out East they will need someone to blame for their houses dropping 50% by next election.

The economy is in shambles and only giving hand outs to sheep isn’t going to do it anymore.

Are those the same sheep who think PP is gonna wave a magic wand and fix everything or are we talking about a different flock?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mull

I think you are flipping votes, specifically on the right via the PPC and on the left, with the NDP

Right now, polling shows votes flipped.

https://338canada.com/

But this actually isn't my point, its the cherry on the top. My point is hate will drive out a higher voter % then expected against Justin. Bringing "new" votes

True, voter turnout could certainly have an impact. PP's best hope is a boring campaign. His supporters will still turn out, and Liberals will stay home. But if PP comes out guns blazing, expect a lot of mobilizing the vote on the left. Then it is anyone's guess.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't know if this is just wishful thinking or how you'd describe this. But in all honesty, it's pretty gross to hope the economy crashes and burns so that your preferred politicians might have a shot at office. I didn't vote for Trudeau that last couple times and frankly, as soon as the results are announced, I hope he does well and Canada does well.

The economy is not in shambles. Could it get there? Sure. But at this point, Canada seems like it's rolling along pretty well. Unemployment is not a huge issue. We're getting excellent prices for our energy and inflation is abating. Not exactly economic disaster because home prices (which have risen significantly!) are coming down.

To the average Canadian fuel is still expensive, food is still expensive (and Trudeau is going to make that worse with his attack on fertilizer), vehicles are expensive, electricity is expensive, housing is still expensive and now interest rates are high also. You can say that unemployment is lower, but I've read that is due to a massive increase in potentially unsustainable government jobs, so Trudeau smoke and mirrors on that one. Ironically our crippled energy industry, which Trudeau has always been actively destroying, is saving us right now because of high oil prices. And our prime minister is on vacation in Costa Rica after flying around Canada for a month for no reason while increasing his massive carbon footprint on our dime.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

To the average Canadian fuel is still expensive, food is still expensive (and Trudeau is going to make that worse with his attack on fertilizer), vehicles are expensive, electricity is expensive, housing is still expensive and now interest rates are high also. You can say that unemployment is lower, but I've read that is due to a massive increase in potentially unsustainable government jobs, so Trudeau smoke and mirrors on that one. Ironically our crippled energy industry, which Trudeau has always been actively destroying, is saving us right now because of high oil prices. And our prime minister is on vacation in Costa Rica after flying around Canada for a month for no reason while increasing his massive carbon footprint on our dime.

Source?

Is this the crippled* energy industry that produces more barrels than ever before, and continue rising?

Spoiler!

https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/...peline-access/

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

To the average Canadian fuel is still expensive, food is still expensive (and Trudeau is going to make that worse with his attack on fertilizer), vehicles are expensive, electricity is expensive, housing is still expensive and now interest rates are high also.

Imagine that. How many of these costs are controlled by the government and how many are controlled by corporations that are profiting off higher prices?

You can say that unemployment is lower, but I've read that is due to a massive increase in potentially unsustainable government jobs, so Trudeau smoke and mirrors on that one.

Let’s see some sources, not saying I don’t believe you because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and don’t see any reason why any sane person would make something up on the internet but I know that some people might not share my optimistic outlook and I’m worried they might think you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass then passing it off as facts. Trying to help

Ironically our crippled energy industry, which Trudeau has always been actively destroying, is saving us right now because of high oil prices. And our prime minister is on vacation in Costa Rica after flying around Canada for a month for no reason while increasing his massive carbon footprint on our dime.

How can the industry be saving us if it is crippled? Also have you ran the numbers on the overall impact the energy industry is having on Canada? Does the amount of additional tax revenue offset the additional cost paid by Canadians for gas, heat, etc? How do those figures compare to the profits of the “crippled” energy corporations? Most importantly, how is PP going to fix any of this?