[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

The thread title should now read as

[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau (8 yrs x 10.5 mill), Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

Not really, that wasn't the trade.

[Azhouse]

His play in the playoffs left me wanting and frustrated every year. I thought he’d be built for it but he was to slow and wilted under pressure. If Florida thinks that Tkachuk is the player to get them over the hump they are delusional. The Flames won round 1 despite him and his playoff stats were puffed up by game 1 of the Oilers series (it was great for Tre though).

He could be like Al Bundy, 5 touchdowns for Polk High… His career/ life peaked in that game 1…

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Do you happen to have quotes or clips?

There is bound to be some sticker shock at the price tag here as it would make Matthew Tkachuk the fifth highest-paid player in the league.

But he’d be worth it.

At 4.4 projected wins, Tkachuk is expected to be one of the 10 most valuable players in hockey next season after a massive breakout year where he scored 104 points and dominated play at five-on-five — at both ends of the ice. The fact he’s also a rugged power forward only adds to the intrigue. He’s a very special player, a unicorn in this league that features a rare combination of brawn and skill. There’s no one like Tkachuk and he’s a cornerstone piece that teams can build around.

https://theathletic.com/3388856/2022...ndidates-2022/

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/s...23762719195137

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Fire

Not really, that wasn't the trade.

It was meant to be cheeky lol

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Dom Luszczyszyn and other analysts started calling Tkachuk a unicorn last season.

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Do you happen to have quotes or clips?

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/s...23762719195137

By Dom Luszczyszyn and Shayna Goldman
Jun 30, 2022

July 20 2022

So that's one guy, three weeks ago, after the rumours went public.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Huberdeau assisted on 85 of those goals. You’d think they will drop off.

They do have a star 1C, but Barkov is really similar to Lindholm. He’s a high level 200 foot centre. The team was ood enough for them to move Huberdeau to a different line, creating 1 200 foot line and 1 scoring line, like with Toews and Kane back in the day. I don’t think they’ll be able to do that any more - Tkachuk will play with Barkov, I bet. And maybe he’ll procure at the same level, though I think it’s more unlikely that this was his peak. Their second line will suffer.

No Barkov is not Lindholm
He is one tier above offensively. He is on par with Johnny

Yes they will miss Huberdeau big time. Tkachuk can’t produce at that level on his own

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

His play in the playoffs left me wanting and frustrated every year. I thought he’d be built for it but he was to slow and wilted under pressure. If Florida thinks that Tkachuk is the player to get them over the hump they are delusional. The Flames won round 1 despite him and his playoff stats were puffed up by game 1 of the Oilers series (it was great for Tre though).

He could be like Al Bundy, 5 touchdowns for Polk High… His career/ life peaked in that game 1…

He does a great job getting the other team riled up, but instead of letting them hang themselves he drags himself and his team right down there with them. He doesn't know the right time to stop, but if he can figure that he could be huge in the playoffs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Florida scored 340 goals compared to 293 for the Flames

They have a powerful offense with a real 1C and 1D. It’s possible that Tkachuk can have another career year .

That seems to be more in doubt with Paul Maurice now behind the bench. I could see a total overhaul of that system and a strong refocus on tbe defensive aide of the puck that is sure to affect offensive numbers.

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[JohnnyB]

I expect Tkachuk to do well in Florida. He was absolutely the beneficiary of being on a line with one of the very best playmakers in the league last season and he won't have that next season, but he's still pretty young and at the early end of prime years with some elite skills. I've no doubt there will be some highlight reel plays we'll see in the coming season that make us wish we could have kept him, and he'll be a really important contributor to a very good team in Florida. I'm also glad the Flames won't play against him frequently. That said, the return Treliving got for him is excellent and I am happy with the trade. I never really liked Tkachuk much as a fan and never really wanted to cheer for him. I'm kind of relieved to know he will never wear the C for the Flames and be the face of the franchise. I would have hated that.

Florida should still do well as a team. I have nothing against them and kind of like the way they have built their team up. They've been a likable franchise since back in the days of Vanbiesbrouk and the rats on the ice in their miracle run to the finals. I'm happy to see them doing well, so I hope Tkachuk does well for them and this is a true win-win hockey trade.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

His play in the playoffs left me wanting and frustrated every year. I thought he’d be built for it but he was to slow and wilted under pressure. If Florida thinks that Tkachuk is the player to get them over the hump they are delusional. The Flames won round 1 despite him and his playoff stats were puffed up by game 1 of the Oilers series (it was great for Tre though).

He could be like Al Bundy, 5 touchdowns for Polk High… His career/ life peaked in that game 1…

The problem with this is ... didn't the two players we acquired from Florida play just as bad in the playoffs as Matthew? Or is that not correct?



For the record- I think this trade was THE trade of the year by any GM

[Vinny01]

I don’t think there was realistically a better win now package that could have been available. We all knew with Sutter at the helm and recent acquisitions like Markstrom, Tanev, and Coleman this team was pushing to win now.

Gudbransen being replaced by Weegar is a massive upgrade on an already very deep blueline that only has 1 player over 30 years of age.

Huberdeau replaces what the team lost in Gaudreau which was a more critical loss than Tkachuk in my opinion. Lindholm, Mangiapane, Toffoli are all snipers and 2 of them will benefit from being even strength linemates with him. It is also nice for the team to recoup a 1st round pick and a prospect after sending 1 of each out for Toffoli (who will likely be counted on for a much bigger role in the top 6 this year).

The Flames locking Huberdeau up to the same contract they offered Gaudreau makes sense and is a solid win for the team after taking a couple of tough losses at the start of the summer. It sounds like things could be moving in the right direction with Weegar so the Flames will make good on acquiring 2 key core players for one that didn’t want to be here long term.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That seems to be more in doubt with Paul Maurice now behind the bench. I could see a total overhaul of that system and a strong refocus on tbe defensive aide of the puck that is sure to affect offensive numbers.

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Yup that could be. I mean Tkachuk is never a sure thing for 100 pt. But with the right people and right environment, he is more than capable. Dude has some skills in the zone.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think there was realistically a better win now package that could have been available. We all knew with Sutter at the helm and recent acquisitions like Markstrom, Tanev, and Coleman this team was pushing to win now.

Gudbransen being replaced by Weegar is a massive upgrade on an already very deep blueline that only has 1 player over 30 years of age.

Huberdeau replaces what the team lost in Gaudreau which was a more critical loss than Tkachuk in my opinion. Lindholm, Mangiapane, Toffoli are all snipers and 2 of them will benefit from being even strength linemates with him. It is also nice for the team to recoup a 1st round pick and a prospect after sending 1 of each out for Toffoli (who will likely be counted on for a much bigger role in the top 6 this year).

The Flames locking Huberdeau up to the same contract they offered Gaudreau makes sense and is a solid win for the team after taking a couple of tough losses at the start of the summer. It sounds like things could be moving in the right direction with Weegar so the Flames will make good on acquiring 2 key core players for one that didn’t want to be here long term.

And at trade deadline as a player; you seriously aren't going to want to play with Huberdeau? Let's say you're a rental, this guy is gonna pop your stats.

Gaudreau is/was always a pass first player; but a lot of energy expended on his play style to create the space. Where as Huberdeau's success and style is more mainstream and serviceable. Can't wait to seem him in action!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

No Barkov is not Lindholm
He is one tier above offensively. He is on par with Johnny

Yes they will miss Huberdeau big time. Tkachuk can’t produce at that level on his own

It’s almost like I said Lindholm was a similar player and said why, instead of saying they were identical.

Barkov is a better overall player than Gaudreau. The problem is that they went from being a two big line offence to one. I think Tkachuk has to play with Barkov. So they’ve gone back to their status when Huberdeau played with Barkov. Meaning shutdown lines will key on that line.

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1556999864084471809

[Vinny01]

Very interesting podcast.

- He already bought a place on the water in Florida.
- interesting he commented on how Johnny was a legend in Calgary and fan attention seemed to be more on him
- did not talk to Johnny about the summer plans at all but chatted after he made the move
- showed a lot of love for Lindy and Backs
- lots of admiration for Treliving
- never once thought about going to Ottawa. Scoffed at the idea
- Robert Thomas tried to recruit him to the Blues
- Parents place in Florida is over an hour from his place but great to be closer to them
- discussed his exit in Calgary and how he felt good about the way it went down
- mentioned dinner with Bennett last season where Sam gushed about the lifestyle and team
- mentioned a couple of chats with Sutter. Definitely got the impression there wasn’t a lot of love there but that is my interpretation

I recommend a listen if you have 35 minutes to spare

[Jiri Hrdina]

It wouldn't be surprising that he's a polarizing person. That type of strong personality is going to create that element. With his team-mates, with fans, with his coaches.

[Your Calgary Flames!]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Very interesting podcast.

- He already bought a place on the water in Florida.
- interesting he commented on how Johnny was a legend in Calgary and fan attention seemed to be more on him
- did not talk to Johnny about the summer plans at all but chatted after he made the move
- showed a lot of love for Lindy and Backs
- lots of admiration for Treliving
- never once thought about going to Ottawa. Scoffed at the idea
- Robert Thomas tried to recruit him to the Blues
- Parents place in Florida is over an hour from his place but great to be closer to them
- discussed his exit in Calgary and how he felt good about the way it went down
- mentioned dinner with Bennett last season where Sam gushed about the lifestyle and team
- mentioned a couple of chats with Sutter. Definitely got the impression there wasn’t a lot of love there but that is my interpretation

I recommend a listen if you have 35 minutes to spare

The part where he was asked if Darryl called him and Tkachuk said I’m going to keep that to myself is pretty telling since right before that he was open about talking to Tre and how close he is with him.

[Johnny Makarov]

Who the hell started this Unicorn talk? Lame terminology referring to greatness.

There is a reason why they are extinct people! They were playing and prancing when the great flood came and disappeared off the face of earth... sorta like Tkachuk in the playoffs.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who the hell started this Unicorn talk? Lame terminology referring to greatness.

There is a reason why they are extinct people! They were playing and prancing when the great flood came and disappeared off the face of earth... sorta like Tkachuk in the playoffs.

Unicorns aren't extinct. In order to be extinct, they had to exist.