[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[Hockey_Ninja]

It’s kinda funny looking back at how Laine was viewed as the better goal scorer than Matthews in their draft year. Those tables turned pretty quickly. Johnny will definitely put up good numbers feeding Laine the puck though. Probably not 115 points, but still very good numbers.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Barkov is as good as Johnny. Ekblad is better than any Flames D. They have a strong team offensively. Tkachuk will be fine in that system. It would not be a surprise if he matches his production again.

Laine is a better shooter than any Flames. Columbus is weaker but Johnny will be Johnny. He doesn’t lose it because he is not a Flames

Your homer glass is making your view cloudy

I've been sour on both players for a few years now. Johnny finally started playing a decent two way game, then left, which was his right to do.

Matty, at least he was honest about not wanting to stay.

I truly think neither player will be the same on each of their teams.

No homer glasses here. I try to be a realist with this stuff.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Barkov is as good as Johnny. Ekblad is better than any Flames D. They have a strong team offensively. Tkachuk will be fine in that system. It would not be a surprise if he matches his production again.

Laine is a better shooter than any Flames. Columbus is weaker but Johnny will be Johnny. He doesn’t lose it because he is not a Flames

Your homer glass is making your view cloudy

you are the anti homer though...you were all over both players regularly until they moved to other teams

Barkov might be better than any Flames D...overall though the Flames have a much better D

Deeper at forward too...Duclair is out until January

I will bet you $100 Tkachuk has less points this season than last


Gaudreau probably less too although he probably won't be worrying about D or winning now so maybe padding the stats for the 10th place team in the east.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Boreal

https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/huber...utm_medium=ios

Han has some good analysis. He's pretty bearish on Huberdeau's fit in Calgary though. I don't know what to make of the narrative that the flames have no puck carrier. The D is filled with skaters that move or skate the puck up ice. Sure they no longer have a Gaudreau type but only one team does really. I think they'll be able to carry the puck by committee and Darryl will game some things to make it work. Predicting a 50 point dropoff from FLA to Calgary for Huby is pretty edgy I think.

[Sylvanfan]

I doubt any of Tkachuck Huberdeau or Gaudreau match last years point totals. 2021-2022 looks to be that once a decade season in terms of offensive outliers. So long as Covid outbreaks do not make a comeback that shuts teams down, and reshuffles the schedule, I expect coaches will be implementing a lot more structure into teams. Less fatigued guys and more practice time will result in tighter checking games. There were as many guys score 40 goals last year as there were 30 in some prior years. It was the best season for offence in nearly 30 years.

In the case of Huberdeau, I would expect Sutter will want the team to be a lot more like Carolina in terms of clamping down on chances against. The Canes could score more, but Brind'Amour has them really focused on shots and chances against. My guess is that Sutter has a lot of ammo from round two that he will use to get the team more focused on chances against. The Flames might score 40 less goals to cut their goals against down by 10 type of thing in preparation for being a tougher playoff team.

So Huberdeau may only score 80 points. But if he plays in 23 playoff games...it will be his most successful season yet.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Han has some good analysis. He's pretty bearish on Huberdeau's fit in Calgary though. I don't know what to make of the narrative that the flames have no puck carrier. The D is filled with skaters that move or skate the puck up ice. Sure they no longer have a Gaudreau type but only one team does really. I think they'll be able to carry the puck by committee and Darryl will game some things to make it work. Predicting a 50 point dropoff from FLA to Calgary for Huby is pretty edgy I think.

Yeah - I can see the concern in that Gaudreau carried the puck a ton for the team but its also true that team's just don't crater when they lose a puck carrier. It just moves to another guy carrying the puck. Likely not as effectively as Gaudreau but players adapt to the strengths of players around them. Gaudreau is an elite puck carrier so he carried the puck a lot. The other guys aren't a bunch of Brett Ritchies - they just aren't as Gaudreau at it.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Han has some good analysis. He's pretty bearish on Huberdeau's fit in Calgary though. I don't know what to make of the narrative that the flames have no puck carrier. The D is filled with skaters that move or skate the puck up ice. Sure they no longer have a Gaudreau type but only one team does really. I think they'll be able to carry the puck by committee and Darryl will game some things to make it work. Predicting a 50 point dropoff from FLA to Calgary for Huby is pretty edgy I think.

Han says some good things in his analysis, I think he’s missed on a few things though:
- Huberdeau played most of his minutes with Bennett, not Barkov (only 24% of his Even Strength TOI and 37% of his Even Strength production was with Barkov)
- He’s assuming Toffoli will be the 1RW but right now I’m learning towards Mangiapane in that spot
- Lindholm can carry the puck IMO, it’s just that he’s rarely had to with a special talent like Gaudreau on his wing. If Mangiapane or Toffoli struggle in that RW spot I wonder if Phillips gets a long look there

I really can’t see a 40-50 point drop off in Huby’s point totals this year, that’s ridiculous. Especially if he receives the same guidance Sutter gave Gaudreau.

[MrMike]

I picture a 90 pt season from Hubey, 80 from Lindholm, and 70 from Mangiapane if he’s on the top like, or a split of 60-60 from him and Tofolli if they end up splitting time up there.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by mile

Han says some good things in his analysis, I think he’s missed on a few things though:
- Huberdeau played most of his minutes with Bennett, not Barkov (only 24% of his Even Strength TOI and 37% of his Even Strength production was with Barkov)
- He’s assuming Toffoli will be the 1RW but right now I’m learning towards Mangiapane in that spot
- Lindholm can carry the puck IMO, it’s just that he’s rarely had to with a special talent like Gaudreau on his wing. If Mangiapane or Toffoli struggle in that RW spot I wonder if Phillips gets a long look there

I really can’t see a 40-50 point drop off in Huby’s point totals this year, that’s ridiculous. Especially if he receives the same guidance Sutter gave Gaudreau.

Good points but the highlighted part I always get a kick out of. On this board Monahan is not a center because he doesn't carry the puck and drive play, but when Lindholm does the same thing it is because he plays with the talented Gaudreau on his wing. I just find it funny, not your comment but relating it to all the other conversations over time.

[mile]

Was anyone else just in the Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread? Looks like it was deleted.


edit: Never mind, it's back at the bottom of the FOI page. Looks like the latest post with the tweet about Weegar signing $6.75milx6 was deleted

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Good points but the highlighted part I always get a kick out of. On this board Monahan is not a center because he doesn't carry the puck and drive play, but when Lindholm does the same thing it is because he plays with the talented Gaudreau on his wing. I just find it funny, not your comment but relating it to all the other conversations over time.

I would say Lindholm is a step above Monahan at carrying the puck, but still a step or two below, for instance Backlund, or typical play driving centres.

Since he is pretty strong defensively, it does mitigate the need to be Pavel Datsyuk or Matthew Barzel, but I do think it would be preferable that our top line centre can produce without an elite offensive winger. I always look back at those last couple of cup einning blackhawk teams and their top six was essentially

Saad - Toews - Hossa
Kane - random nobody - decent middle sixer

I think that is the model you need to be able to deploy. It's even tougher these days since some teams are flatout stacked rosterwise, moreso than that era.

But a 1C should be able to drive his own line. That's not take away from guys like Hossa (IMO a HoFer) or Saad. But can Lindholm play at the level of 2013 Toews or 2019 ROR without Huberdeau/Gaudreau on his wing?

Even the Bruins model, where Marchand and Bergeron play together, is offset by the fact that, often in their most successful years, Krejci outproduced Bergeron offensively, particularly in the postseason.

[sureLoss]

[mile]

Already has the jersey framed

[Erick Estrada]

We all know that it's about the money at the end of the day but he seems to be pretty genuine in his enthusiasm for being a Flame.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We all know that it's about the money at the end of the day but he seems to be pretty genuine in his enthusiasm for being a Flame.

For sure but at its basics this is also about a player who's team didn't want him, and a team who's player didn't want them, finding each other.

I think he committed early because Calgary was willing to commit to him. Florida wasn't willing to do that, which I think was a surprise to him.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Man, this guy even looks like a superstar. Like, I look at him and I think about that scene in Moneyball, when all the scouts are talking about how a player has to LOOK like he'd be a star in order to actually be a star. Huberdeau would be a first round pick without even knowing how to play baseball.

[jaginla]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Man, this guy even looks like a superstar. Like, I look at him and I think about that scene in Moneyball, when all the scouts are talking about how a player has to LOOK like he'd be a star in order to actually be a star. Huberdeau would be a first round pick without even knowing how to play baseball.

He flys into Calgary and his dicks already been there for 2 months

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I still can't believe we got Jonathan ####ing Huberdeau for an RFA who wanted out. This has the possibility to be one of most important trades in franchise history.

[icarus]

I like the briefcase containing what I assume to be his signing bonus in the background.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you are the anti homer though...you were all over both players regularly until they moved to other teams

Barkov might be better than any Flames D...overall though the Flames have a much better D

Deeper at forward too...Duclair is out until January

I will bet you $100 Tkachuk has less points this season than last


Gaudreau probably less too although he probably won't be worrying about D or winning now so maybe padding the stats for the 10th place team in the east.

You know, for some here, any player on the team is sub par in their eyes. The second they move on to other teams, they immediately became superstars.