Brad Treliving needs to go

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Flames should just sign Brad to a lifetime contract. Seems doubtful we can reach the lofty heights the Flames have reached under him with anybody else.

lol. The schtick is old.

All players/managers are replaceable. However, there is no guarantee those replacements would do better. Who are you hiring to ensure those better results?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

lol. The schtick is old.

All players/managers are replaceable. However, there is no guarantee those replacements would do better. Who are you hiring to ensure those better results?

The answer to this of course is a collection of the most negative CP posters. They would make it look so easy and if every move wasn't a total fleecing they would resign immediately.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

lol. The schtick is old.

All players/managers are replaceable. However, there is no guarantee those replacements would do better. Who are you hiring to ensure those better results?

Dean Lombardi. But I am saying no, don’t do that, we will never be as great as Brad can make us. How great do you think Brad can make us? Two wins in the second round? Or even greater?

Hubredeau was a good trade. Brad folks should bask in it, it is the pinnacle of his time as the Flames GM.

[Goriders]

I think Treliving should get this season to see if he can undo the start of the summer.

I think he’s made a good pivot but is still a piece or two away.

Guessing if the Flames take a big step back this year that he will be held accountable.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Dean Lombardi. But I am saying no, don’t do that, we will never be as great as Brad can make us. How great do you think Brad can make us? Two wins in the second round? Or even greater?

Hubredeau was a good trade. Brad folks should bask in it, it is the pinnacle of his time as the Flames GM.

The question is; how good can Dean Lombardi make us?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Dean Lombardi. But I am saying no, don’t do that, we will never be as great as Brad can make us. How great do you think Brad can make us? Two wins in the second round? Or even greater?

Hubredeau was a good trade. Brad folks should bask in it, it is the pinnacle of his time as the Flames GM.

Last word was Lombardi’s contract has no outs - Vancouver wanted to talk to him and were shut out. It may be ending though, he was hired by the Flyers 5 years ago.

Of course, the thing about Lombardi is that he was fired by SJ after 7 or 8 years for a lack of PO success, too many veteran acquisitions and difficult contract negotiations (Nabokov eg). And then he went on and won two cups with LA.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hubredeau was a good trade. Brad folks should bask in it, it is the pinnacle of his time as the Flames GM.

Remains to be seen. If it’s half as good as the Lindholm trade, it’s still a win.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Remains to be seen. If it’s half as good as the Lindholm trade, it’s still a win.

I think we are saying the same thing, it is a good trade. It keeps the Flames knocking on the door of the 3 or 4 elite teams in the NHL. Murray’s hire of Sutter was a stroke of genius, he alone makes the Flames competitive. But it remains to be seen if the Flames have anywhere near the horses to make a serious run at the Cup.

[Goriders]

No matter who the GM is they are inheriting a very solid defense and goaltending group. But a rather messy forward group.

I think Treliving’s job depends on cleaning up that mess.

[TOfan]

Another thing to take into consideration is I doubt many, if anyone, has as good of an understanding of the Flames organization, it’s external relationships, and the City from a hockey manager’s standpoint as Treliving does.

To replace him with an outsider seems to be a significant step backwards. Some of the posters on here probably think that doesn’t mean much, but I would disagree. It’s just a hockey team, right? What else is there to know?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Dean Lombardi. But I am saying no, don’t do that, we will never be as great as Brad can make us. How great do you think Brad can make us? Two wins in the second round? Or even greater?

Hubredeau was a good trade. Brad folks should bask in it, it is the pinnacle of his time as the Flames GM.

Lombardi might be great, he might be terrible, certainly no guarantee. Dunno and neither do you.

What is guaranteed is that the constant, oppressive sarcasm makes your choices and contributions priceless and infallible. A must-read, GM polemic that raises the bar of all threads that are fortunate to be graced by your presence.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think we are saying the same thing, it is a good trade. It keeps the Flames knocking on the door of the 3 or 4 elite teams in the NHL. Murray’s hire of Sutter was a stroke of genius, he alone makes the Flames competitive. But it remains to be seen if the Flames have anywhere near the horses to make a serious run at the Cup.

Murray’s hire?

I don’t doubt ownership was plugged into this given the history but if you’re suggesting ownership took that decision out of Treliving’s hands I think you’re turning a blind eye to the obvious.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Lombardi might be great, he might be terrible, certainly no guarantee. Dunno and neither do you.

What is guaranteed is that the constant, oppressive sarcasm makes your choices and contributions priceless and infallible. A must-read, GM polemic that raises the bar of all threads that are fortunate to be graced by your presence.

The sanctimony of fans like you who cheer for the GM in the press box and not the logo on the front of the jersey is always a welcome reprieve to fans like me that think there may be a better way. Your clear, concise and logical ability to present irrefutable arguments that show that Brad is the best because one cannot guarantee that anyone else could get us past 5 wins in a single playoff (or at least could not be guaranteed to do so) proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that one would be crazy to consider a different GM.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The sanctimony of fans like you who cheer for the GM in the press box and not the logo on the front of the jersey is always a welcome reprieve to fans like me that think there may be a better way. Your clear, concise and logical ability to present irrefutable arguments that show that Brad is the best because one cannot guarantee that anyone else could get us past 5 wins in a single playoff (or at least could not be guaranteed to do so) proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that one would be crazy to consider a different GM.

Dude, I was doing you.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Flames should just sign Brad to a lifetime contract. Seems doubtful we can reach the lofty heights the Flames have reached under him with anybody else.

So you're angry that people seem to be more supportive of the guy? Do you wish he didn't make a solid trade and keep the team from heading into a rebuild?

Or is sarcasm just your thing.

The fire Treliving camp is certainly losing some members, that's a good thing isn't it?

No one else is talking about lifetime contracts. I've said numerous times that once a guy gets to the second longest tenured GM in team history you either have your own David Poile or you need a fresh voice. That can certainly happen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Murray’s hire?

I don’t doubt ownership was plugged into this given the history but if you’re suggesting ownership took that decision out of Treliving’s hands I think you’re turning a blind eye to the obvious.

This is the beauty for Brad when it comes to analyzing him. Decisions like a Gaudreau signing in the summer of 2021 are, according to some, a decision that will require ownership sign off and likely involves a heavy ownership hand. Decisions like hiring Darryl Sutter, a former employee of Murray Edwards, after three misfires at the head coaching position, is a Brad decision that was not an ownership decision. I happen to think ownership likely made the Sutter hire and played a significant role in Brad’s ability in regards to major signings of franchise players.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Dude, I was doing you.

You don’t have to do me, that is you

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This is the beauty for Brad when it comes to analyzing him. Decisions like a Gaudreau signing in the summer of 2021 are, according to some, a decision that will require ownership sign off and likely involves a heavy ownership hand. Decisions like hiring Darryl Sutter, a former employee of Murray Edwards, after three misfires at the head coaching position, is a Brad decision that was not an ownership decision. I happen to think ownership likely made the Sutter hire and played a significant role in Brad’s ability in regards to major signings of franchise players.

You think it’s much different for other organizations? I don’t.

Regardless, if this was an issue, ownership would have moved on by now, no?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So you're angry that people seem to be more supportive of the guy? Do you wish he didn't make a solid trade and keep the team from heading into a rebuild?

Or is sarcasm just your thing.

The fire Treliving camp is certainly losing some members, that's a good thing isn't it?

No one else is talking about lifetime contracts. I've said numerous times that once a guy gets to the second longest tenured GM in team history you either have your own David Poile or you need a fresh voice. That can certainly happen.

Well I would prefer a team that competes for winning Stanley Cups, but I would agree for a significant portion of posters, less fire Brad people is a good thing because that seems to be a significant litmus test amongst posters on this site as to whether you are negative as a fan or not. Those that think everything is well run and that the Flames have a very good GM are considered positive fans who support the team. Those that do not hold that view are derided and labelled as negative.

I am not angry about anything. It will be fun to have a competitive team next year. It will be fun to make the playoffs. I don’t think that team is anywhere close to competing for a Stanley Cup though.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Think your numbers are getting thin!

You have a different view, a poster says that if he does not succeed with this group the Flames should get a different GM, you think he should not (I assume based on noting the Brad fans are growing and the emphasis of the exclamation point). I thought celebrating the success of a team that has 13 playoff victories under Brad was sarcasm, but perhaps it was not.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You don’t have to do me, that is you

Oh my. This will be the last one from me. Sorry for the derail.

Like most posters on the board, I agree with lots of what you say, and disagree with some. But what seems to be counter-productive to your point of view on this topic in particular, is the heavy sarcasm. In my opinion, that style is best served in small doses. From the numerous "Brad can do no wrong" retorts and strawmanning, I generally just tune out, but it was just getting to be too much to not respond in kind.