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This is true. It's a flawed approach in a lot of ways, but I like us being safe than sorry and retaining the same number of top 6 caliber scorers we boasted last season.
Someone will see their production rise playing up the line up though, no question about that.
Ok
With that in mind
Do you think any of these would be reasonable/realistic or even desirable targets?
Roope Hintz - DAL
Troy Terry - ANA
Tage Thompson - BUF
Teuvo Teravainen - CAR
Chandler Stephenson - VGK
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Lol, I havent read through the entire thread but this is so true and forgive me if I'm repeating anyone.
Realistically though, they just gave Huberdeau Johnny's contract.
Its probably even the same document just with 'Gaudreau' crudely covered in whiteout and 'Huberdeau' written over top.
Then compare the contracts of Tkachuk, Huberdeau and Gaudreau.
Johnny's contract looks like it could have been written by a drunk on the back of a bar napkin. The others look like they were crafted by someone skilled and experienced with contracts.
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Its probably even the same document just with 'Gaudreau' crudely covered in whiteout and 'Huberdeau' written over top.
which makes sense. Everybody knew the Flames offered 8x10.5m to Gaudreau, so Huby's camp was in a strong position there: similar age, same position, same production last season. Plus the threat of going UFA next season ... realistically, there was no way Tre could negotiate that down. It was probably a fairly easy negotiation for Walsh. I guess at the end of the day, it made way too much sense for both parties to just take the deal they wanted to give to Gaudreau.
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His worst injury was in 2016 when he was cut by a skate in preseason and only played 31 games that year. Which is more of a freak accident than an injury. Last 5 seasons he hasn't missed much time.
Longevity is tied to playing style, which definitely works in Huberdeau's favour, but it's also just an individual thing for each player and how their body ages... I wouldn't have predicted what happened to Lecavalier in his late 20's / early 30's, for example.
Nobody predicts Matt Cooke scrambling their brain.
If Cooke hadn’t shredded Karlsson’s Achilles, EK would still be a Norris favourite every year.
... And also, if the general take is "well it's not as bad as the Darnell Nurse contract", which I've seen in here like five times, that's not a great sign.
Yeah, that's not how this deal is being evaluated. You've seen it in response to an Oiler fan making a comment
I think it's a bit silly to worry about replacing regular season production...this team can afford to score fewer goals and lose a couple more games...and it might actually set up an easier first round.
Of course by playoff time, it's hard to predict injuries, but:
Huby vs. JG = similar question marks, but changing the mix is as good as anything.
It gets a little funny with Tkachuk, but I think a higher deployment Mangi could get in the neighbourhood of what Tkachuk actually delivered in the playoffs. A settled and better conditioned Toffoli should deliver similar to Mangi last year. Maybe Pelletier or Ruzicka or Monahan can deliver the little bit Toffoli gave us?
At the end of that day I don't think it matters who is better/worse, but simply changing some key ingredients might unlock more post-season success.
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People say this extends the window but I think they need to replace at least half of tkachuk's production up front before we can say that.
Reel in a 50 point-capable top six forward through trade and I feel like we're back on even footing with a different make up going into next season.
Not an easy task but they have trade chips here to work with.
I agree. I think the better way to look at it by goals by line
Our first line scored 124 goals. Huberdeau and Lindholm probably get 70 if they click and depending on who the 3rd is probably are good for 90 to 100 goals.
Mangiapane Coleman and Backlund scored 63. If mangiapane stays on this line I could see him staying at 35 at least with increased pp role. Coleman can easily get 20. I could see this line getting 70 if they play together
The defence scored 41. Weegar isn’t a big time goal scorer but Anderson probably gets more than 4. 41 is a low total so 50 isn’t unrealistic
After the top 2 lines and defence the Flames had dube lucic and Toffoli were the only players with 10+. If you create a 3rd line that can score some goals with a good top 6 forward you could get a plus 10 in goals from whoever is in your bottom 6.
Line combos likely change up and who knows who plays with who yet but the Flames for most of the year got goals from 4 guys. They will be less top heavy but can easily make up the minus 25 goals or so from the top line with depth. The defence will be more mobile too so that will increase production for all lines
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Weegar will produce 30 more points in a season than Gudbranson.
So with Tkachuk out that leaves at least 70-80 points that need to come from somewhere on the team.
Maybe internally we can count on Toffoli, Coleman, and Dube adding 30 more combined in year over year improvements.
Full year of Ruzicka will add in 20 points instead of Ritchie and Richardson.
If the Flames can find a 50-60 point top six forward than they have replaced Tkachuks offense internally.
Who is that person?
How much will it take to get them?
Whoever gets moved up the first line with Huberdeau/Lindholm will produce 20-30 more points than usual. Huberdeau has done this with just about every single linemate.
Then whoever gets slotted into the position that person left will produce more too.
It's more like a 20-30ish point loss. Could be filled with a guy like Poirier jumping into the lineup as a 40-50 point guy. Could also be filled by trading a d-man for a top 6 forward.
