There's a reason why I don't like watching the MLB or NBA. Nobody wants to see the Yankees and Warriors win every year. It's boring.
The Yankees haven't won since 2009. The last 8 years have been won by 8 different teams. In the last 21 years (2000-2021) the World Series has been won by 15 different teams (50% of the total teams). Duplicate winners in that time frame are Red Sox (4 times 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018), Giants (3 times in 5 years), and the Cardinals (twice 2006 and 2011).
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He just seemed like a very nice person. I loved Squiggy.
Tkachuk is so much younger. They get every year of his prime, that has to be a huge factor for them.
And they have had great regular season success but nothing in the playoffs so they’re definitely looking to change things up.
The Tkachuk part makes nothing but sense.
But moving on from your own rentals after trading all your futures for rentals in the last two deadlines makes zero sense to me.
How do you not keep one of the better players in the game making $5.9M when you've made this your window. (Same argument for decimating their blueline in moving on from a cheap Weegar too)
So strange.
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Weird I’ve read two articles stating that this is the biggest contract in Flames history. Next biggest being Sean Monahan. But why is everyone forgetting that we paid Iginla $7 mil for 7 seasons. Saw it on a sportsnet article and a flamesnation article
Because that Iginla contract doesn't exist. They signed him for 3 years at 7M and then 5 years at 7M. His largest contract was 35M. Monahan's was 45M.
I think he's only meaning that Monahan's contract wasn't the second largest contract. And while he's sort of correct, it's because of Tkachuk not Iginla. The largest contracts given out by the Flames are technically:
But moving on from your own rentals after trading all your futures for rentals in the last two deadlines makes zero sense to me.
How do you not keep one of the better players in the game making $5.9M when you've made this your window. (Same argument for decimating their blueline in moving on from a cheap Weegar too)
So strange.
It feels like it’s just Bill Zito being enamoured with Tkachuk.
He called him a generational talent. I’m the biggest Tkachuk fan out there…but c’mon, he is not that.
Florida would be in a really good position if they didn’t have Bobrovsky signed to the deal that they do. If you were to look at their roster with Barkov, Tkachuk, Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Lundell and Knight all being in place it’s a pretty good core. Mix that in with the fact that they do have a massive free agent advantage and they should be pretty well positioned to win…but they’re saddled with a $10M goalie who doesn’t look to perform all that well come playoff time. That’s a poison pill.
Losing Weegar also really does not help…oh and not having a first round pick for what? 5 straight seasons? Yeah that’s going to catch up to them.
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The crippling thing for the Sharks was the Karlsson trade (and subsequent signing). Bad deals like Vlasic and Jones weren't necessarily insurmountable (though we've seen it's very difficult to win a cup with any bad contracts).
Norris (was ELC, now 7.95M)
Stutzle* (last year of ELC)
Demelo (now 3M)
Balcers (750k)
Tierney (was 3.5M; apparently he's signed 750k in FLA...he could've been worth a shot here)
And recent picks 39 and 44 that could easily turn into something
Those 5 players now cost ~13.5M, but it's been a lot less than that until this season. Karlsson +4 guys at league min is still 14.5M.
There's a lot of butterfly effect if that trade isn't made...the Evander Kane trade also lead to the 1st in the EK trade getting delayed and turning into Stutzle...who knows where those pick(s) end up. But SJ probably could have managed a reasonable re-tool despite Vlasic/Jones and even Kane's contracts if they kept those assets.
Has an NHL forward ever produced like this in the back half of his 30's? 81 points in 82 games as a 37 year old is unheard of and it's not like he's playing a one-dimensional game. Amazing player and I just wish he played in the Eastern Conference because he's been a thorn in the side of the Flames.
I'm not going to do an exhaustive deep dive for more examples, but Mario Lemieux's 91 points at age 37 was pretty impressive.
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It feels like it’s just Bill Zito being enamoured with Tkachuk.
He called him a generational talent. I’m the biggest Tkachuk fan out there…but c’mon, he is not that.
Florida would be in a really good position if they didn’t have Bobrovsky signed to the deal that they do. If you were to look at their roster with Barkov, Tkachuk, Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Lundell and Knight all being in place it’s a pretty good core. Mix that in with the fact that they do have a massive free agent advantage and they should be pretty well positioned to win…but they’re saddled with a $10M goalie who doesn’t look to perform all that well come playoff time. That’s a poison pill.
Losing Weegar also really does not help…oh and not having a first round pick for what? 5 straight seasons? Yeah that’s going to catch up to them.
Yup agree with all of the above (I mean if you make an argument that Tkachuk is a top 5 winger in the league I'd probably agree with it but that still isn't generational).
The 1st round picks thou... that is going to hurt them down the road. But Stanley Cup banners hang forever so they better make this window count.
Huberdeau was never going to sign for a cheaper and shorter-term deal, we can't delude ourselves with that (we're not the New York Rangers where everyone seems to want to play). We had to pay more. It's the reality of being a small-market Canadian team.
It's certainly possible that this was the only type of extension he was interested in signing here. I wouldn't be at all surprised. If that is true, though, I think the best option was to flip him for other assets.
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Keeping in mind that we are supposed to overpay because taxes and cold....
- Huberdeau comes in at 12.6% of CF's 2023/2024 cap estimate...IS THAT BAD?
- Which is just outside the top 15 of current players in terms of cap % at time of signing....NOT TOO BAD
- That's right between Seguin and Benn...THOSE DIDN'T AGE SO WELL
- I don't see any wingers signing at his age getting close to this much including Ovi.....CRIPES
- Assuming the cap grows ~5% (ie average of prior 14 seasons which is probably a low
estimate given inflation), then this will be 10% of cap towards end of the contract.....I CAN DEAL
This is rich, but not debilitating. Hopefully there is a halo effect of positivity and draws other players and reasonable prices.
CF has a flat cap starting in two years, that will never happen. Estimates right now have the players paying off the money they owe to the owners in another 2-3 seasons. They are paying off about 300 million a year going forward. Assuming 5 billion in revenue, players are getting 2.2 billion and the owners are getting 2.8 billion. Once the players pay off that money I think one can assume conservatively that the cap will go up by similar percentages that it did before the pandemic on the backend of this deal. That would be roughly a 30% increase over the last 7 years of the deal, 25% of or so on the last 6 years if it takes 3 years to pay off the debt. That gives you something between a 104 million and a 109 million cap in the last year.
It feels like it’s just Bill Zito being enamoured with Tkachuk.
He called him a generational talent. I’m the biggest Tkachuk fan out there…but c’mon, he is not that.
Florida would be in a really good position if they didn’t have Bobrovsky signed to the deal that they do. If you were to look at their roster with Barkov, Tkachuk, Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Lundell and Knight all being in place it’s a pretty good core. Mix that in with the fact that they do have a massive free agent advantage and they should be pretty well positioned to win…but they’re saddled with a $10M goalie who doesn’t look to perform all that well come playoff time. That’s a poison pill.
Losing Weegar also really does not help…oh and not having a first round pick for what? 5 straight seasons? Yeah that’s going to catch up to them.
It sounds like they really like Tkachuk for his media presence as well. They're trying to grow the sport down their, and having him on their team will help with that. They want him trash talking Tampa Bay, and getting up to hi-jinks with his brother in the same division. If he can get rivalries going down their like he did here with Doughty and Kassian, that'll get more people talking about the Panthers. I think that's worth more to them than a slight higher chance of winning the cup.
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