2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Electricprez

...has this been communicated anywhere, or are you saying this is an if/then hypothetical?

Just a hypothetical.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

The beauty of having strength on defense is the value placed on any top 4 D in the league. Some Vancouver radio guys were noting that Vancouver has plenty of wingers to trade but that wingers have the least value in the league. A good D should net a really strong winger from the right club. NOT suggesting Vancouver just noting the comment that wingers have the least value in general.

Teams want Goal, D and Centers before filling out wings.

It’ll never happen. But could you imagine our top line if we could pry JT Miller out of Vcr?

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

The beauty of having strength on defense is the value placed on any top 4 D in the league. Some Vancouver radio guys were noting that Vancouver has plenty of wingers to trade but that wingers have the least value in the league. A good D should net a really strong winger from the right club. NOT suggesting Vancouver just noting the comment that wingers have the least value in general.

Teams want Goal, D and Centers before filling out wings.

You're right.
SJ just signed a d-man off his ELC to $3.25 per for 4 years.

D is way more valuable. If anything, TOR would have to add a pick to get Weeger.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Lucic is 6million against the cap, but only 1million in actual dollars.

That will be very attractive to the cheaper teams who need to make the cap floor.

Everyone will be over the cap floor right now just by signing their own RFAs

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think Klingberg changes anything for them. They weren't going to acquire Lucic for free to reach the cap floor - there are a multitude of options on the market for them to take on sweeteners to make the cap floor. They trade for Lucic only if they actually want Lucic.


Anaheim won't be a cap team either, so adding his 5.25 million cap hit won't make a difference to them. What they are concerned with is his actual salary, which is $875K (1 million - Oilers' share lol).


875K is just above entry level right now. If they are interested in Lucic, it is because he can take a regular shift and protect those kids they have. 875 is really a bargain for Lucic right now if you don't care about the cap space - and Anaheim doesn't. I would be shocked if it costs assets to move Lucic right now. I am not sure if he will be moved, but if he is, I would be a bit surprised to see him go with sweeteners. If anything, it will be future considerations or even a small add in return.

The main thing with teams like Anaheim or Arizona is they likely plan to sell guys at the trade deadline. So they still need to say over the floor after deducting someone like Klingberg and Shattenkirk. That said - pretty much anyone trading for those guys would need to unload salary to take them on but it still gives them flexibility in trading if they don't have to constantly worry about being under the floor.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Goriders

My gut feel is there’s a defenseman leaving for a winger. We have a surplus of defensemen.

Ya, or a two for two type of deal, where we upgrade at forward, and the other team upgrades on D but they still get a forward back, and we get a d man.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Dube + Valimaki for Necas?

I don’t think you would get Necas for that

Valimaki probably doesn’t have much value

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I don’t think you would get Necas for that

Valimaki probably doesn’t have much value

Especially with a potential cloud hanging over Dube.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Ya, or a two for two type of deal, where we upgrade at forward, and the other team upgrades on D but they still get a forward back, and we get a d man.

The deal I have been thinking about is

Dube+Hanifin to Philly for Konecny+Dman (Sanheim or Provorov) if it is Sanhiem then we have another player 1 year from free agency. Maybe the Flyers look to keep him and get futures at the deadline or maybe they would rather not have to deal with that and move him now. Konecny has 3 years left of cost control and would be the key piece for the Flames. They would be selling low on him as he has not been the same player that scored 61pts before the shutdown in 2020.

Dube had a very strong finish to the season last year and has 2 more years then is a RFA again so plenty of control for Philly. Hanifin has 2 years left so more time for Philly if they move Sanheim or money off the books quicker if it is Provorov. Provorov has seemingly not performed since he inked his big deal at 6.75M and has been rumored to be on the block.

Philly is 2.5M over the cap so either trade opens up more than enough space for them. The Flames likely need a taker for Lucic to make the deal work.

When looked at as a whole:

Huberdeau = Gaudreau
Konecny << Tkachuk
Provorov/Sanheim < Hanifin
Weegar >> Gudbransen
Pelletier < Dube (at least next year)

It would certainly be an interesting retooling by the team if they could pull something like that off

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The deal I have been thinking about is

Dube+Hanifin to Philly for Konecny+Dman (Sanheim or Provorov) if it is Sanhiem then we have another player 1 year from free agency. Maybe the Flyers look to keep him and get futures at the deadline or maybe they would rather not have to deal with that and move him now. Konecny has 3 years left of cost control and would be the key piece for the Flames. They would be selling low on him as he has not been the same player that scored 61pts before the shutdown in 2020.

Dube had a very strong finish to the season last year and has 2 more years then is a RFA again so plenty of control for Philly. Hanifin has 2 years left so more time for Philly if they move Sanheim or money off the books quicker if it is Provorov. Provorov has seemingly not performed since he inked his big deal at 6.75M and has been rumored to be on the block.

Philly is 2.5M over the cap so either trade opens up more than enough space for them. The Flames likely need a taker for Lucic to make the deal work.

When looked at as a whole:

Huberdeau = Gaudreau
Konecny << Tkachuk
Provorov/Sanheim < Hanifin
Weegar >> Gudbransen
Pelletier < Dube (at least next year)

It would certainly be an interesting retooling by the team if they could pull something like that off

I don't expect anyone would take Dube until the cloud hanging over him is resolved.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't expect anyone would take Dube until the cloud hanging over him is resolved.

Has he been officially implicated? I thought he made a statement that he was not involved and has cooperated with the police throughout the investigation?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Has he been officially implicated? I thought he made a statement that he was not involved and has cooperated with the police throughout the investigation?

The wording that was used did not say not involved in the incident.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Has he been officially implicated? I thought he made a statement that he was not involved and has cooperated with the police throughout the investigation?

His was the weakest I have seen. Cleared of wrong doing

[Sutter_in_law]

“Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” wrote Dubé’s agent, Dave Cowan.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The wording that was used did not say not involved in the incident.

Dillon Dube, Toronto Star, July 18: his agent Dave Cowan told reporter Kevin McGran that “Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing.”

Did not engage in wrongdoing

[Toonage]

Based on the investigation which has since been re-opened.

I'd feel better if he issued a statement like those we've seen most recently.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Based on the investigation which has since been re-opened.

I'd feel better if he issued a statement like those we've seen most recently.

me too, that statement really doesn't point to him not being one of the people that participated.

I just hope that he was the initial person and not one of the group that joined in...

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

me too, that statement really doesn't point to him not being one of the people that participated.

I just hope that he was the initial person and not one of the group that joined in...

The initial person invited everyone to join, and then followed up the next day to ensure the police stay out of it. The initial person is in the worst position here.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

me too, that statement really doesn't point to him not being one of the people that participated.

I just hope that he was the initial person and not one of the group that joined in...

You mean you wish he was the guy who called 7 of his buddies up after he was done????????

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I just don't read as much into these statements as some do. They are all implicated, to some degree. Hopefully the new investigation will shed some actual light.

[mile]

Wasserman Hockey also released a similar statement for 6 players on that WJC team. One of them was Kyrou, who wasn’t in London when the incident happened.

Can’t really make conclusions from that statement one way or another.