[Signing] Flames sign Mangiapane (3 yrs, $5.8 mil AAV)

[Reggie Dunlop]

Ruzicka probably comes in at under a million on a "show me" deal.

[boogerz]

I don't mind the term, but the AAV feels about a half-million too high. Mangiapane certainly makes the most of his opportunities, but $5.8M puts him in the same realm as:

Buchnevich @ $5.8M (0.7ppg in the three seasons prior to signing)
Schwartz @ $5.5M (four 50+ point seasons prior to signing)
Burakovsky $5.5M (0.8ppg in the three seasons prior to signing)
Bjorkstrand @ 5.4M (good underlying numbers on a so-so team)
Adrian Kempe @ $5.5M (only had one good season prior to signing)
Atkinson @ $5.875M (five 20+ goal seasons prior to signing)
Karlsson @ $5.9M (signed fresh off his 43g season)

All of these guys signed at the same age that Mangiapane did, give or take a year. All of these players except Bjorkstrand and Kempe were more proven than Mangiapane at the time of signing and are arguably better players.

Hopefully Mangiapane has another gear and does what Buchnevich just did in the first year of his new contract.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

His linemates:

Backlund: 12 goals
Coleman: 16 goals

Neither were exactly offensive dynamos.

Despite spending so much ES time with those two, Mangiapane also gets more more favorable offensive zone starts (generally speaking) and more PP ATOI than Coleman and Backlund combined.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Good deal. Not great, but a good deal for the team and player. Need to dump Lucic and add another forward with similar scoring ability.

It really depends on what direction we go with our acquisitions. I don't think there's much point if our Florida pick ups don't show signs of signing before the season and Brad makes the correct call in trading them for futures.

Then you just keep Lucic and don't buy out Monahan. But if those two pick ups (or even just Huberdeau) sign then we're back in the game and you easily trade Lucic to a bottom feeder with under $1mil owing.

You even buy out Monahan if the right pick ups are there to max out cap space and put together what you believe is a contender.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I bet many didn't predict that out of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane - it would be Mangiapane who remains a Flame.

Well it seemed it was always going to be sign Gaudreau and Tkachuck and lose some other piece like Mangiapane or lose Gaudreau, subsequently lose Tkachuck and then Mangi becomes an easy signing.

[jayswin]

Not sure why so many are tied up on salary cap and remaining dollars left at this point. It's 100% dependant on new contracts for Weegar and Huberdeau and therefore what direction Brad goes because of it. $1.2mil remaining or whatever is meaningless at this point.

If Huberdeau and Weegar commit this summer than Lucic is obviously traded easily with under $1mil to pay out, and then Monahan is also likely bought out if the right pick ups are available to shore up the roster. We could have anything from $1.2m to $9mil in cap space depending on key re-signings of assets that we acquired and subsequent direction of the season.

[jayswin]

And if our pick ups aren't showing signs of re-resigning, forcing Brad to make trades for futures than that $1.2mil of cap space we're spenidng time worrying about right now is also meaningless.

Basically - The $1.2m (or whatever it is) remaining right now is meaningless either way. Either that's all we have because Lucic and Monahan are not subtracted, but that means Huberdeau and/or Weegar are subtracted with new prospects/players brought in.

Or...Our pick ups are re-signed and Lucic and/or Monahan are gone and we add to the line up that way.

TLDR: Pay no heed to current capspace after signing Kylington and Mangianpane, it means nothing with major decisions coming.

[Jacks]

This is max AAV for me so I'm fine with it. If he wanted more to sign long term it could easily become a boat anchor contract in the future.

[Philly06Cup]

Weird that people are afraid he won't live up to this contract.

Scoring goals in the NHL is hard. Mangiapane has shown he can do that. Moreover, he did it with very little PP1 time. He did it without playing with any of the Flames' 3 top superstars. He's also defensively capable in his own end. Give him better linemates, and who knows what his ceiling is.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Weird that people are afraid he won't live up to this contract.

Scoring goals in the NHL is hard. Mangiapane has shown he can do that. Moreover, he did it with very little PP1 time. He did it without playing with any of the Flames' 3 top superstars. He's also defensively capable in his own end. Give him better linemates, and who knows what his ceiling is.

This contract is fine in terms of living up to it, won't find much argument there. It's that some wanted longer term, but it likely would have cost in the high 6's to 7's to get it done and then yeah, there is danger he won't live up to it over the years.

I'm happy with this for Mangianpane as we were paying him based on what is likely his best or close to best seasons. I wanted 3-5 years for Kylington as that's where I believe we stand to lose by going super short and walking him to UFA.

Kylington was someone that I would have loved at $3.5AAV on 4-5 years. I feel we'll be staring down a $6-$7+AAV contract PLUS the ability for him to walk and test free agency in two years. Not the end of the world, but if I was choosing, I would have gone Mangi short, Kylington long. Mangi would be hard pressed to beat what he's done significantly, Kylington I believe will beat what he's done significantly, so two years and a walk to UFA is an ugly pill to swallow from my projection of him.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not sure why so many are tied up on salary cap and remaining dollars left at this point. It's 100% dependant on new contracts for Weegar and Huberdeau and therefore what direction Brad goes because of it. $1.2mil remaining or whatever is meaningless at this point.

If Huberdeau and Weegar commit this summer than Lucic is obviously traded easily with under $1mil to pay out, and then Monahan is also likely bought out if the right pick ups are available to shore up the roster. We could have anything from $1.2m to $9mil in cap space depending on key re-signings of assets that we acquired and subsequent direction of the season.

Huberdeau and Weegar are both signed for the upcoming season. Lucic and Monahan's contracts are both over after the upcoming season.

If Huberdeau and/or Weegar sign extensions, there will be no overlap with the current Lucic and Monahan contracts.

[Fourteen FTW]

I think this takes us to the end of the known Darryl window. This seems like the current plan. My guess is Brad and co are green lit for all in for the next 2-3 if they are in a place where a deep run is a real possibility. I think with The new Florida adds in place at good pricing if they can move Lucic and Monahan it gets done and they will be trying to add more talent asap and we push hard to compete this year and next.

[devo22]

for $5.8m, I certainly would have wanted another year or so, but oh well. At least they got it done before arbitration.

[cannon7]

Both Mangiapane and Kylington will be UFAs at the end of their contracts. Think we only got one UFA year from Mangiapane?

[agulati]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Both Mangiapane and Kylington will be UFAs at the end of their contracts. Think we only got one UFA year from Mangiapane?

It would be two UFA years for Mangiapane. He was eligible to be a UFA next summer.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I love it that Tre keeps deals short. Long term contracts, more often than not, come back to bite you in the ass. Keeps players focused on performing. And if they turn out to be on the decline, we haven’t invested 5-8 years in them.

Only superstars should get long term deals because they’re basically irreplaceable.

I agree. This covers his 26-29 late prime years. If someone wants to swoop in when he's 30 and give him a James Neal type contract - go for it.

[Flamesfan05]

No discount. Term is fine. The time to take advantage was his last contract, not now.
Would be a big shock if Mangi has another gear. He was having problems keeping up with his hot start.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

This is a great deal from the Flames standpoint, who often signs players a year or two too long for a million or two too much (see Gio, Backlund, Lucic - a byproduct of Neal, etc. The list goes on - Coleman's next)

You always do long term contracts on a curve. You usually get great value at the beginning, appropriate value in the middle and a couple of years where it’s not. Lucic doesn’t count though.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Weird that people are afraid he won't live up to this contract.

Scoring goals in the NHL is hard. Mangiapane has shown he can do that. Moreover, he did it with very little PP1 time. He did it without playing with any of the Flames' 3 top superstars. He's also defensively capable in his own end. Give him better linemates, and who knows what his ceiling is.

Is $200k per goal still the rule of thumb for scoring wingers? If yes, Mangiapagne needs to put up 29 per year to "beat" his contract from a value perspective.

I think that is more likely than not.

[Nelson]

I do not understand the amount of negativity about Mangiapane. He’s a great player, one of my very favourite Flames to watch. Mangiapane gives maximum effort all the time. He has plenty of skill. He is a good skater, and he goes to the hard areas of the ice. He is a fighter in puck battles. 20, 26, 35 goals per 82 games the last 3 years. Everyone on here seems determined that Mangiapane will not succeed, and I do not understand.

As for the term, the Flames are getting Mangiapane’s prime years. Maybe the AAV should’ve been closer to Kempe’s, but I’d much rather have the deal signed well before arbitration than save $300K.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I do not understand the amount of negativity about Mangiapane. He’s a great player, one of my very favourite Flames to watch. Mangiapane gives maximum effort all the time. He has plenty of skill. He is a good skater, and he goes to the hard areas of the ice. He is a fighter in puck battles. 20, 26, 35 goals per 82 games the last 3 years. Everyone on here seems determined that Mangiapane will not succeed, and I do not understand.

As for the term, the Flames are getting Mangiapane’s prime years. Maybe the AAV should’ve been closer to Kempe’s, but I’d much rather have the deal signed well before arbitration than save $300K.

Absolutely, if say Tkachuk had Mangiapanes motor imagine the results! Few players have that engine, maybe guys like Galleghar or Pageau come to mind. There's stats and eye tests and both tell a story. You can see how Mangiapane plays. I really expected 5 years and 6-7mill longer term however this will do. I guess his agent knows 29 is a good age to hit free agency.