Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[Fleury2005]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If the job pays me over $9M a year, that's over $72M, I can retire comfortably after that. So, yeah!

Yeah but there are 10+ other companies happy to pay you that $72m. Why not spend a few months making sure you like the fit first? I'm not suggesting do something goofy like Klingberg and sign for one year instead of 6+ - but I'd definitely take a bit of time to check the vibe of the org before signing long term.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fleury2005

Yeah but there are 10+ other companies happy to pay you that $72m. Why not spend a few months making sure you like the fit first? I'm not suggesting do something goofy like Klingberg and sign for one year instead of 6+ - but I'd definitely take a bit of time to check the vibe of the org before signing long term.

Only 1 company can commit to that right now. Trying to orchestrate a move to somewhere else you think you might prefer that will hopefully also commit to that money is risky business.

Secure the bag and demand a trade later if you hate it here for whatever reason.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Fleury2005

Yeah but there are 10+ other companies happy to pay you that $72m. Why not spend a few months making sure you like the fit first? I'm not suggesting do something goofy like Klingberg and sign for one year instead of 6+ - but I'd definitely take a bit of time to check the vibe of the org before signing long term.

That's fair. But if we are talking about me, or average person who don't have to worry about injury, sure. But them as hockey player, there's always that injury concern. If they get career ending injury, and that's it. As per Klingberg, I don't think it's him that want to sign for a 1 year contract?



Them as hockey players, they might want to wait. But us fans don't want to wait too long because the chance they walk and we get nothing.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by VilleN

When you look at this trade, the trade for Lindholm and Hanifin, the trade for Dougie Hamilton, our improved drafting and development, majority of RFA signings, some pretty damn good UFA signings as of late; I have to think Tre is in the upper tier of GMs. All GMs make mistakes, but I can't think of a GM off hand that has made as many blockbuster trades that have not blown up in his face.

Someone said it best earlier

Treliving isn't a mediocre GM in a great market

Treliving is a great GM in a mediocre market.

I love Calgary. Truly. But if I had my pick of the litter amongst the 31 other cities, there are many better cities that have things Calgary can never have.

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[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Fleury2005

So if you start a new job in a new city you'd sign an 8 year contract before your first day? Instead of maybe working there a few months to see how you like the boss / coworkers / city?

I mean isn’t that exactly what free agents to July 1st every year?

9 times out of 10 it’s just who offers the most money.

I wouldn’t risk what could happen over the course of a season.

Hubes could probably get about 10m over 8 years from the Flames

Would you risk having a terrible year or a major injury and maybe having offers as low as 8.5m over 6 years?

That’s close to 30 million on the table, just for a choice to maybe get to pick from 2-3 teams that have the cap space for you.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Someone said it best earlier

Treliving isn't a mediocre GM in a great market

Treliving is a great GM in a mediocre market.

I love Calgary. Truly. But if I had my pick of the litter amongst the 31 other cities, there are many better cities that have things Calgary can never have.

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Like a new arena for one.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Like a new arena for one.

I betcha arena is so far down the list when players are choosing where to play. It's mostly a family decision about taxes and location or a young single decision about....taxes and location. A new arena in a Canadian prairie city ain't moving the needle for players that can choose large, often beautiful temperature American cities.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I betcha arena is so far down the list when players are choosing where to play. It's mostly a family decision about taxes and location or a young single decision about....taxes and location. A new arena in a Canadian prairie city ain't moving the needle for players that can choose large, often beautiful temperature American cities.

Nowadays, American cities, large or beautiful temperature have one drawback, mass shooting. There is no place anyone can avoid, those happen randomly.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Nowadays, American cities, large or beautiful temperature have one drawback, mass shooting. There is no place anyone can avoid, those happen randomly.

Unfortunately, I doubt mass shootings plays much into the decision young rich hockey players make when deciding which city to play in. Nine times out of ten, it’s usually “does this city match the lifestyle I’m looking for”. Calgary, whether you like it or not, is not a premiere destination in this regard for that particular demographic. And I say that as someone that fuggin’ loves this city.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Muta

Unfortunately, I doubt mass shootings plays much into the decision young rich hockey players make when deciding which city to play in. Nine times out of ten, it’s usually “does this city match the lifestyle I’m looking for”. Calgary, whether you like it or not, is not a premiere destination in this regard for that particular demographic. And I say that as someone that fuggin’ loves this city.

Yeah, unfortunately I have to agree with you. Unless it actually happens to one of them, it won't sink in that it could very well happens to them.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Nowadays, American cities, large or beautiful temperature have one drawback, mass shooting. There is no place anyone can avoid, those happen randomly.

This just isn't true

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I betcha arena is so far down the list when players are choosing where to play. It's mostly a family decision about taxes and location or a young single decision about....taxes and location. A new arena in a Canadian prairie city ain't moving the needle for players that can choose large, often beautiful temperature American cities.

I suspect that, while arena amenities shouldn’t be a big factor, they actually are.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fleury2005

Yeah but there are 10+ other companies happy to pay you that $72m. Why not spend a few months making sure you like the fit first? I'm not suggesting do something goofy like Klingberg and sign for one year instead of 6+ - but I'd definitely take a bit of time to check the vibe of the org before signing long term.

These guys aren’t basketball players. Huberdeau will be turning 30 when he hits UFA. All that needs to happen is for him to not gel with Darryl or tear up his knee, or get a concussion, and that $72m over 7 years can become $40M over 5 years real quick.

Huberdeau isn’t in the same situation as Gaudreau - he’s hitting FA later, he’s not “going home to be closer to family”, he didn’t just marry a girl from the east coast. To my knowledge, there are no pressing family medical commitments taking up his attention.

And with all that, Johnny Gaudreau still got less than $10M a year, from the Blue Jackets of all teams.

John Klingberg cost himself so much money.

Taylor Hall cost himself so much money.

Kadri is not getting the market he thought he would.

The Flames are almost certainly offering Huberdeau the Gaudreau deal. 8 years $84M.

I don’t see how any pragmatic player turns that down. Absolute best case scenario, Huberdeau loses $15M (Which is actually $19.2M Canadian, the country Huberdeau happens to be a citizen of.)

We all should’ve seen Gaudreau leaving after his dad’s heart attack. I wouldn’t want to be 4000 miles away in another country if my dad was in poor health if I didn’t need to be either.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I betcha arena is so far down the list when players are choosing where to play. It's mostly a family decision about taxes and location or a young single decision about....taxes and location. A new arena in a Canadian prairie city ain't moving the needle for players that can choose large, often beautiful temperature American cities.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect that, while arena amenities shouldn’t be a big factor, they actually are.

If an arena has an impact it's likely more of an "if all things are equal" decision between two or more cities in an area(s) they desire, which won't really help Calgary attract or retain players.

example - If a player decided he liked the Florida area and wanted to sign there, and Tampa had a brand new arena with excellent amenities and Miami had an older arena, the player may choose Tampa over Miami because of that.

But that same player ain't choosing Edmonton over Miami because Edmonton has a nice new arena with excellent amenities. Point being, Calgary/Edmonton are not attracting players away from more desirable locations with a new arena. It could possibly attract a western Canadian player to Edmonton over Calgary at this point, sure.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Someone said it best earlier

Treliving isn't a mediocre GM in a great market

Treliving is a great GM in a mediocre market.

I love Calgary. Truly. But if I had my pick of the litter amongst the 31 other cities, there are many better cities that have things Calgary can never have.

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I agree with everything you said, except the better city part. Calgary is a mediocre market in terms of managing an NHL team on ice. Like all small Canadian Markets near the bottom of the list. To your point BT is a great GM with one of the hardest jobs amounts his peers.

Calgary is NOT a mediocre city though. Truly one of the best cities in the world.

[Njord]

I found this quote that was posted a couple hours ago. Hopefully it's legit

"According to his agent Allan Walsh, Jonathan Huberdeau was serious when he said he would be open to signing a long-term extension to stay with the Calgary Flames after this season."

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If an arena has an impact it's likely more of an "if all things are equal" decision between two or more cities in an area(s) they desire, which won't really help Calgary attract or retain players.

example - If a player decided he liked the Florida area and wanted to sign there, and Tampa had a brand new arena with excellent amenities and Miami had an older arena, the player may choose Tampa over Miami because of that.

But that same player ain't choosing Edmonton over Miami because Edmonton has a nice new arena with excellent amenities. Point being, Calgary/Edmonton are not attracting players away from more desirable locations with a new arena. It could possibly attract a western Canadian player to Edmonton over Calgary at this point, sure.

I just hear them talking all the time about nice arenas.

Now, TBF, I don’t think it’s first and foremost. IMO money is usually the first priority, then city (and the type of city changes for players at different points in the career). But arena and nice teammates are at least as important as the highly overrated “change to win a cup”.

And when I say arena, I don’t know that they care what it looks like from the outside or from the seats. I’m talking player facilities.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Calgary is NOT a mediocre city though. Truly one of the best cities in the world.

The point is a great city for a 25-30 year old multimillionaires. For that there are many better than Calgary with beaches, weather, nightlife. Calgary ranks high on livability for normal people trying to live in a place thats safe, not too expensive, good job opportunities etc. These things don't really factor into a young rich professional athlete's criteria.

[RogerWilco]

Why does everyone assume that the mega rich all just want to hang on the beach and hit all the parties with the most famous DJs? Just like anyone else the mega rich have differing criteria as well. Some may have families that love to ski or climb mountains. Teams like Florida of course would appeal to those that want to hang on the beach and get a big boat but that is not everyone. Teams like Florida also can't just take on every super star or they would have kept JH and put him on a line with MK.

I think there is a better than small chance Calgary lands JH long term.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Why does everyone assume that the mega rich all just want to hang on the beach and hit all the parties with the most famous DJs? Just like anyone else the mega rich have differing criteria as well. Some may have families that love to ski or climb mountains. Teams like Florida of course would appeal to those that want to hang on the beach and get a big boat but that is not everyone. Teams like Florida also can't just take on every super star or they would have kept JH and put him on a line with MK.

I think there is a better than small chance Calgary lands JH long term.

Because that’s where you find most of them?

But yeah Huberdeau may be different….