Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[Johnny Makarov]

The real winners here are the Flames. Even if we got nothing for Tkachuk would have been better than him here at 8 years X$9.5mil/per.

[Inferno099]

Originally Posted by chedder

But we're getting Huberdeau's 29 year old year at $5.9.

And Johnny got 9.75 for 29-36 (8 years)

So only one year difference with a cheaper age 29 year for Huberdeau. We can have him for 9 years and he'll only be one year older than Gaudreau at the end of it. If rebuild isn't the goal, pay the man.

Agreed.
Need to stop getting hung up on 8 year. As we get closer to that year contracts for highly skilled players of his age will likely be the AAV as the cap goes up.

Either the Flames want JH and pay him or else he goes elsewhere.

If I were Walsh. Contract would need to be 8 x $10.5M. if we are lucky AAV ends up 8 x $9.999M 😎

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The real winners here are the Flames. Even if we got nothing for Tkachuk would have been better than him here at 8 years X$9.5mil/per.

Said one person only.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Said one person only.

Well obviously Brad wasn't going to be burnt twice... but holy crap did we dodge a bullet with Slowchuk.

and then to get what we got from the Panthers? 5 days later and i'm still in disbelief.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

To be fair in grading what came in and what went out, you actually have to look at what the Flames would have had if they didn't make the trade - one more year of Tkachuk. That's all they had if they didn't make a move. The fact he would agree to sign helped them find a partner but didn't give them any more leverage. Tough position to be in.

That’s fine and that’s what I said. It’s 1 year if they didn’t trade him

But because of competition and because Tkachuk agreed to sign 8 yrs, they actually received full value for him.

[wired]

Both JG, and MT will regress this year, possibly not rebound to 100 point seasons again.

While Huberdeau will (IMO) still be in the 90-110 point range, and make every player around him better.

Flames won the trade, Just hope they can re sign both players.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Great post and you had me until the Feaster criticism. Not that I disagree with your description of Feaster, it’s just that I find Treliving to be entirely too dependent on cliches and trite expressions in his public comments. I’d say the two share that in common.

And I guess to be somewhat contrarian, I don’t know if the organization sees the last year of Gaudreau as such an utter disaster. It was the most successful season of the last 18 years and a big reason why is that you had two superstars playing for their next contract.

At this point I find it hard to see Gaudreau's departure as a disaster...this season probably improved Tkachuk's trade value immensely.

Of course it's impossible to know what would have happened if Gaudreau was moved earlier, but I see it as:

nothing (JG) + short playoff run + this huge trade return
vs.
underwhelming JG return + ??? playoff run + lesser Tkachuk trade return* (or no trade at all and the org goes another direction, which likely means patchwork solutions)

Which isn't to say they should do it again. But I'd be okay starting the season with 1 of them unsigned (if there aren't great trade offers). 2 months into the season teams will know where they stand and probably be more willing to pony up for a rental if the available player fits a need. But I'd have a hard deadline of US thanksgiving to ink or deal.

[Saqe]

For people who haven't watched these two guys:


Weegar fun fact:
He is a really good deker and often dekes the first forechecker to oblivion when skating up the ice.
Weegar not so fun fact:
He sometimes thinks he's Bobby Orr and goes too far with it which leads to a bad turnover.


Huberdeau fun fact:
He is really good at protecting the puck and surprisingly strong, probably learned it from Jagr.
Huberdeau not so fun fact:
Will usually go MIA for about a month every year (last year being the exception), usually at the beginning of the year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Huberdeau not so fun fact:
Will usually go MIA for about a month every year (last year being the exception), usually at the beginning of the year.

Well that is better than Backlund who usually takes about the first 3 months off.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Huberdeau not so fun fact:
Will usually go MIA for about a month every year (last year being the exception), usually at the beginning of the year.

I'll bet that doesn't happen if he is playing for a contract.

[memphusk]

What Could Calgary get for Huberdeau? I get that he's going to play this year but what are the true options?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that is better than Backlund who usually takes about the first 3 months off.

Yeah. Although with Huberdeau it's more frustrating because he doesn't bring anything else to the table if he's not creating offense. It's a minor issue but frustrating because when he goes MIA he doesn't #### around lol.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that is better than Backlund who usually takes about the first 3 months off.

Better than taking the last month of the season off like Tkachuk.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'll bet that doesn't happen if he is playing for a contract.

Yeah I agree, if he doesn't have a contract when the season starts you will get the best version of him.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that is better than Backlund who usually takes about the first 3 months off.

Hahaha. Truth. Bring the beast out of him and get him after McDavid every second game. His ####### edge is what he was missing for the first years

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Better than taking the last month of the season off like Tkachuk.

Agreed. Backs was great in the playoffs. If only he could start that way we wouldn't be discussing finding a true #2 C.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What Could Calgary get for Huberdeau? I get that he's going to play this year but what are the true options?

I would guess the standard good young roster player, prospect, 1st rounder.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What Could Calgary get for Huberdeau? I get that he's going to play this year but what are the true options?

Its Treliving, so probably a sign and trade for 1 year of an unsigned MacKinnon, Compher, a lottery protected first and a middle prospect

[AC]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

Its Treliving, so probably a sign and trade for 1 year of an unsigned MacKinnon, Compher, a lottery protected first and a middle prospect

He's going the paper clip route and will trade up towards a brand new arena.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Are they signed yet?

I think so.

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