2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Macho0978]

It’s amazing how optimistic people are that Monahan can recover and contribute yet so much negativity towards Toffolli. The guy struggled being traded to a new team mid season. It happens

I’d bet Toffoli is more likely to score 30 this year than Monahan

[iggyloob12]

When your third- and fourth-line centres are a coin toss, you’re weak at the position. Monahan, Ruzicka, Rooney or Lewis might get the job done, but it’s not ideal. We need a centre.

[sureLoss]

Klingberg switched agents, which means he believes his previous agent f'ed up

https://twitter.com/user/status/1552367655356596226

[sa226]

Kadri is such a tough one right now. He obviously wants to cash in on his career year, but he and his agent must know what the hold up is. He's 32, nobody wants to pay him 8 million for 7 years. Additionally, is he actually a 90pt centre in this league? Not sure about that either. He's very good and would absolutely make any team better, but yikes.

He's gotta decide if he wants the security of term, or big bucks. Or maybe a combination of the 2 in total dollars.

You could approach it like a Gaudreau or Huberdeau contract from a standpoint that you're willing to commit to 28 or 29 year olds for 7 or 8 years, so we'll take you to 36 years old at 8 million per.

If a 32 year old is hung up on term, the AAV has to drop significantly.

Gio is the classic example. Low mileage on the body as a late bloomer, seemingly ageless with great fitness and commitment etc etc. He still started to slow down at 36.

You just can't pay a 39 year old centre 8 million bucks.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan for voracek with small +

Vorocek is a winger not a center. Vorecek comes with an 8.25 mil tage and is 32, Monys 27.

IF Monahans career is done then why would Columbus do that?
If Monahan shows sign of being 1/2 the center he was 3 years ago then why would we trade him?

Vorocek isn't a goal scorer either.

Monahans contract expires THIS year Voreceks is 2 more at 8.25mil.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Some really interesting takes. You don't build depth by pushing players up the lineup where they are unlikely to succeed, you build depth by pushing players down the lineup to where they will likely over-achieve. Could Coleman, Dube, or Toffoli play in the top six? Sure, but not with the level of success you're going to hope for because they don't have the skills of top end players in that regard. You need to push them down to where they are going to be those top end talents at that level. That's why we need at least one more top line forward to replace Gaudreau/Tkachuk (which ever dynamic you want to focus on). The 2nd line center would also be a great improvement, but we definitely need that finishing winger as a priority to repeat last season IMO.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Klingberg switched agents, which means he believes his previous agent f'ed up

https://twitter.com/user/status/1552367655356596226

Apparently there was a trade that fell through with Myers that would have allowed the nucks to sign Klingberg

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan for voracek with small +

Wouldn't want that contract next year

[mile]

I dunno, I don't think:
Huberdeau
Mangiapane
Toffoli
Coleman
Dube
Pelletier

is any worse than:
Brown
Wiliams
Carter
Penner
King
Lewis

or:
Gaborik
Williams
Brown
Pearson
Toffoli
King


The latter two groups were the top 9 wingers on both of Sutter's cup teams. What made it work was that they had a really strong group of centres who made their wingers better and drove their lines on his teams. A high-end winger would be nice, but a #2C would still be the highest priority for me right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Klingberg switched agents, which means he believes his previous agent f'ed up

https://twitter.com/user/status/1552367655356596226

Swedish player now represented by Markstrom and Lindholm's agency (and Tanev, Lewis, Stone, Monahan and exes Tkachuk, Gudbranson, and Jarnkrok who certainly benefitted).

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by mile

I dunno, I don't think:
Huberdeau
Mangiapane
Toffoli
Coleman
Dube
Pelletier

is any worse than:
Brown
Wiliams
Carter
Penner
King
Lewis

or:
Gaborik
Williams
Brown
Pearson
Toffoli
King


The latter two groups were the top 9 wingers on both of Sutter's cup teams. What made it work was that they had a really strong group of centres who made their wingers better and drove their lines on his teams. A high-end winger would be nice, but a #2C would still be the highest priority for me right now.

Exactly and Colorado has 2 elite wingers and then a bunch of journeyman players or youth

Pittsburgh wasn’t loaded on wing either

Washington had AO but their next best forwards were centers

I’m OK with Huberdeau as he is elite

Mangiapane Toffoli and Coleman are all quality players.

If we had Kadri or a different center that’s a top 6 player the Flsmes will finally be a threat in the playoffs

Need Monahan or Lucics cap though. Keep Monahan and hope but even if he plays well it’s always going to be when is he going to get hurt will he make in through 4 rounds of playoffs? Sorry not a good idea to take that chance if your close

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Vorocek is a winger not a center. Vorecek comes with an 8.25 mil tage and is 32, Monys 27.

IF Monahans career is done then why would Columbus do that?
If Monahan shows sign of being 1/2 the center he was 3 years ago then why would we trade him?

Vorocek isn't a goal scorer either.

Monahans contract expires THIS year Voreceks is 2 more at 8.25mil.

Yeah, Monny's copntract is bad, but let's not turn it into a much worse one.

Vorachek is still a useful player, but not that useful.

We'll hopefully need that extra cap space next year when the Huberdeau and Weegar extensions kick in.

[Enoch Root]

Lindholm
Kadri
Backlund
Monahan
Ruzicka

is not bad.

What I really like about that is that Lindholm, Kadri and Backlund can all play against McDavid or Draisaitl. The way to beat the Oilers is to neutralize their 2 Cs, because that's it, that's their team.

[logan_izer10]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It’s amazing how optimistic people are that Monahan can recover and contribute yet so much negativity towards Toffolli. The guy struggled being traded to a new team mid season. It happens

I’d bet Toffoli is more likely to score 30 this year than Monahan

Toff has only put up 30 goals once in his career and that will be 7 years ago this season.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I doubt they would give up Barzal. If they did, I guess they would want a high end center coming back the other way.

There's a little of smoke with Kadri going to the Isles which would eat up the cap space needed for Dobson, Lou might let Barzal go to fill the holes needed for a scoring winger and D. Some Isles fans think of Brock Nelson as their #1 center, who knows what Lou thinks though.

Hanifin and Mangiapane for Barzal?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Huberdeau is the only clear top line guy
Mangiapane is a top 6 winger. As is Toffoli
Coleman is a middle 6 guy. As is Dube, unless he can elevate his game.
Pelletier is probably a 3rd line guy, but he needs to prove that.

So yeah, they need another top 6 winger.

But as I said... OR a #2 C.

Right now, Backlund is the 2C and we're not sure what Monahan is. If we add a 2C, pushing Backlund down to the 3rd line, that strengthens our middle 6 in much the same way.

The Flames need a top 6 RW, or they need a #2C. Either way, it significantly improves the forward depth and allows guys like Backlund and Coleman and Dube to be in roles that they can excel in, as opposed to having to punch above their weight class.

I think people over estimate what a top line winger is. Huberdeau is our only elite winger - but Coleman, Toffoli, and Mangiapane all fit certain criteria of "top line winger" by different metrics.

There are technically 96 top line forwards in the NHL and 192 top 6 forwards - here's where Flames potential top 6 forwards rank by goals and points at 5v5 over the last three seasons:

Goals:
Lindholm: 53 - T-8TH
Mangiapane: 53 - T-8th
Huberdeau: 45 - T-27th
Coleman: 40 - T-51st
Toffoli: 37 - T-74th
Dube: 27 - T-157th
Backlund: 25 - T-183rd
Monahan: 19 - T-245th

Honestly finishing should not be an issue - we have 5 forwards in the top 90 of 5v5 goals over the last three seasons.

Points
Huberdeau: 121 - 11th
Lindholm: 101 - T-31st
Mangiapane: 92 - T-53rd
Backlund: 81 - T-92nd
Coleman: 77 - T-104th
Toffoli: 74 - T-119th
Dube: 56 - T-198th
Monahan: 51 - T-217th

It does show that ideally an upgrade on Backlund is where you'd focus. The team isn't really lacking finishers - it's lacking playmakers.

Tkachuk and Gaudreau were both great playmakers, and now we are down to just Huberdeau as a great distributor.

I wasn't on board with Kadri before the Tkachuk and Gaudreau moves...but now a top 6 center that can score and distribute the puck would really make all of our lines slot better.

Kadri really fits that bill if you look at his last three seasons:

Goals: 39 - T-56th
Assists: 55 - T-44th
Points: 94 - T-42nd

Having Lindholm, Kadri, and Backlund anchoring the middle of the ice, and shifting Monahan to wing probably really is the solution this team needs.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

There's a little of smoke with Kadri going to the Isles which would eat up the cap space needed for Dobson, Lou might let Barzal go to fill the holes needed for a scoring winger and D. Some Isles fans think of Brock Nelson as their #1 center, who knows what Lou thinks though.

Hanifin and Mangiapane for Barzal?

That's an absolutely horrible trade for Calgary.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's an absolutely horrible trade for Calgary.

I would do one or the other but not both

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think people over estimate what a top line winger is. Huberdeau is our only elite winger - but Coleman, Toffoli, and Mangiapane all fit certain criteria of "top line winger" by different metrics.

There are technically 96 top line forwards in the NHL and 192 top 6 forwards - here's where Flames potential top 6 forwards rank by goals and points at 5v5 over the last three seasons:

Goals:
Lindholm: 53 - T-8TH
Mangiapane: 53 - T-8th
Huberdeau: 45 - T-27th
Coleman: 40 - T-51st
Toffoli: 37 - T-74th
Dube: 27 - T-157th
Backlund: 25 - T-183rd
Monahan: 19 - T-245th

Honestly finishing should not be an issue - we have 5 forwards in the top 90 of 5v5 goals over the last three seasons.

Points
Huberdeau: 121 - 11th
Lindholm: 101 - T-31st
Mangiapane: 92 - T-53rd
Backlund: 81 - T-92nd
Coleman: 77 - T-104th
Toffoli: 74 - T-119th
Dube: 56 - T-198th
Monahan: 51 - T-217th

It does show that ideally an upgrade on Backlund is where you'd focus. The team isn't really lacking finishers - it's lacking playmakers.

Tkachuk and Gaudreau were both great playmakers, and now we are down to just Huberdeau as a great distributor.

I wasn't on board with Kadri before the Tkachuk and Gaudreau moves...but now a top 6 center that can score and distribute the puck would really make all of our lines slot better.

Kadri really fits that bill if you look at his last three seasons:

Goals: 39 - T-56th
Assists: 55 - T-44th
Points: 94 - T-42nd

Having Lindholm, Kadri, and Backlund anchoring the middle of the ice, an shifting Monahan to wing probably really is the solution this team needs.

voracek

[OptimalTates]

That is an absolutely horrible deal for the Islanders lol.