Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[undercoverbrother]

Sheldon Kennedy is a ####ing National Treasure.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I was speaking to my direct experience with HC, to refute the other poster's false narrative.

This aged well.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Many things can be true at the same time.

Hockey Canada can have good grassroots programs for pre-teens.

Priorities can also be completely ####ed up at older ages/elite-level.

That’s the thing. They don’t.

Sweden has approximately as many kids playing hockey as Alberta. Numerous countries have better grassroots programs.

Something as basic as the Hockey Canada coaches app is a subscription. In the United States it’s free.

Dynamite work on the grassroots level.

Maybe bilk the lowest levels of hockey for some more funds to cover up sexual assaults or send another executive to an overseas tournament.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Let’s keep this on topic.

Go make a “generalized hockey Canada complaints” thread if you like.

[Coach]

I played under HC until I was 18.

I coached under HC for the next 6 years in high level youth.

I am the son of an NHL player.

I’ve never seen or heard anything as egregious as what’s happening here.

But it doesn’t matter what good any of these organizations has done. Charities. Hospitals. Underprivileged programs. I am damned proud of the way I participated with HC and the boys that we coached have by and large grown into stellar young men.

It’s all been washed by rape. You can’t whataboutism rape.

Clean house. The top level is all scum and there’s no way around it.

[Mr.Coffee]

Put Sheldon Kennedy in charge of Hockey Canada, problem solved.

[Icon]

Likely has already been discussed - but as far as the call to clean house now... has the board of directors changed much / at all / entirely since these events took place?

... I suppose I could look that up myself but hey that's what the message board's for.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Icon

Likely has already been discussed - but as far as the call to clean house now... has the board of directors changed much / at all / entirely since these events took place?

... I suppose I could look that up myself but hey that's what the message board's for.

Shouldn’t be able to hide behind turnover. The NHL has played that game forever. “Happened in another org.” Etc…

If those responsible aren’t there anymore the Government of Canada should be suing them on behalf of victims and all Canadian citizens and they should be held personally responsible.

(No idea how legal any of that is. Don’t care. I’m emotional. They’ve tarnished my whole life by letting this slide. Now instead of talking about how great my experience coaching/playing was I get to discuss rape. F*** these people. Put them in a hole.)

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Put Sheldon Kennedy in charge of Hockey Canada, problem solved.

I don’t think someone with a history of drunk driving should be in charge of HC. Especially not someone who faced zero consequences for his actions.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Coach

Shouldn’t be able to hide behind turnover. The NHL has played that game forever. “Happened in another org.” Etc…

Maybe it's a devil's advocate approach, but if the people involved with HC now had no knowledge or information about any of this and are learning about it all as we are, I don't see why they'd take the blame.

If those responsible aren’t there anymore the Government of Canada should be suing them on behalf of victims and all Canadian citizens and they should be held personally responsible.

This is more likely and I agree with.

Like I said I have no idea who knew what or who's still around, etc. A clean slate is easy but may not be the best approach.

I don't have any stake in this either way, hope it's resolved and everyone throughout all related organizations are held responsible, was just curious on if that was already brought to light or not.

[getbak]

I know there's a lot of scrutiny on Hockey Canada, but what about the CHL? Are they feeling any heat over this?

I have a hard time believing these kids are well-behaved chaste young men when playing for their junior teams who suddenly become sex offenders once they go to the World Jrs.

Are those leagues facing any backlash for possibly fostering this behaviour?

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Icon

Maybe it's a devil's advocate approach, but if the people involved with HC now had no knowledge or information about any of this and are learning about it all as we are, I don't see why they'd take the blame.

This is more likely and I agree with.

Like I said I have no idea who knew what or who's still around, etc. A clean slate is easy but may not be the best approach.

I don't have any stake in this either way, hope it's resolved and everyone throughout all related organizations are held responsible, was just curious on if that was already brought to light or not.

There's no chance they didn't know this stuff was going on. I heard several stories like this in my town, and I didn't play hockey. One of those stories has been mentioned in another thread by a different poster.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

There's no chance they didn't know this stuff was going on. I heard several stories like this in my town, and I didn't play hockey. One of those stories has been mentioned in another thread by a different poster.

When I was younger I worked a summer job with a guy who was in the WHL.

He had some stories that at the age of 18 I didn't really think too much about...but looking right now I think you could question how many of those were consensual.

I don't think this type of thing is rare in junior hockey at all.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

There's no chance they didn't know this stuff was going on. I heard several stories like this in my town, and I didn't play hockey. One of those stories has been mentioned in another thread by a different poster.

Totally agree, my question was since this happened a while ago, are the people then still there now

[MBates]

I would recommend watching the evidence of Danielle Robitaille, the independent investigator hired by Hockey Canada.

If she had been the first voice heard on this topic I think the reputational hit on the organization would have been much less.

https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=b9cdb...a-9808dcd0bf9b

What is particularly noteworthy now is she says she has now obtained a full and complete detailed statement from the complainant and is ready to complete interviews of the remaining players. She has now been given the tool that if a player does not cooperate with her investigation they will be banned from ever participating in Hockey Canada events again, and that information will be made public.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MBates

I would recommend watching the evidence of Danielle Robitaille, the independent investigator hired by Hockey Canada.

If she had been the first voice heard on this topic I think the reputational hit on the organization would have been much less.

https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=b9cdb...a-9808dcd0bf9b

What is particularly noteworthy now is she says she has now obtained a full and complete detailed statement from the complainant and is ready to complete interviews of the remaining players. She has now been given the tool that if a player does not cooperate with her investigation they will be banned from ever participating in Hockey Canada events again, and that information will be made public.

Yeah and that's fair. At the same time though, the people in charge (overall), knew of this year's ago and purposefully kept it hidden. It meant their funding remained intact, and of course there was no scrutiny for the organization.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah and that's fair. At the same time though, the people in charge (overall), knew of this year's ago and purposefully kept it hidden. It meant their funding remained intact, and of course there was no scrutiny for the organization.

They reported to police, Sport Canada (where the funding comes from), and hired the independent investigator...did you watch her testimony before repeating the line that they "purposefully kept it hidden"?

She gives a very clear and in my view legitimate explanation for why the Hockey Canada investigation went the way it did. Including that for 18 months she sought the version of the events from the complainant and could not get it (and appears to accept that was due to the fact she simply was not ready to give it). Only then did the investigation get closed but without prejudice to reopening it if the complainant ever wanted to.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MBates

They reported to police, Sport Canada (where the funding comes from), and hired the independent investigator...did you watch her testimony before repeating the line that they "purposefully kept it hidden"?

She gives a very clear and in my view legitimate explanation for why the Hockey Canada investigation went the way it did. Including that for 18 months she sought the version of the events from the complainant and could not get it (and appears to accept that was due to the fact she simply was not ready to give it). Only then did the investigation get closed but without prejudice to reopening it if the complainant ever wanted to.

I watched the piece on TSN tonight which had part of her testimony as well as pieces from some of the others. I'll watch her whole testimony though, which I should've done before posting that.

[chedder]

Sport Canada was made aware in 2018 and did absolutely nothing. Didn't notify the minister of sport or follow up with Hockey Canada.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/sport-...2018-1.6002196

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MBates

They reported to police, Sport Canada (where the funding comes from), and hired the independent investigator...did you watch her testimony before repeating the line that they "purposefully kept it hidden"?

She gives a very clear and in my view legitimate explanation for why the Hockey Canada investigation went the way it did. Including that for 18 months she sought the version of the events from the complainant and could not get it (and appears to accept that was due to the fact she simply was not ready to give it). Only then did the investigation get closed but without prejudice to reopening it if the complainant ever wanted to.

So, I did watch her testimony and honestly there are still several questionable things here. One glaring one, is the fact that they didn't compel these players to submit to questioning until this year. I understand that isn't under her purview, but that is a pretty significant failing of Hockey Canada?