2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours - Page 174 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

mile · 07-25-2022, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

I don't get it. They're confirming that the deal is on the one yardline, or they're sarcastically making fun of the guy saying it's happening?

I'm usually pretty good with sarcasm, but my detector isn't going off at all here...

TheScorchStack account usually just tweets jokes from what I’ve seen. They’ve picked up on the fact that everyone on Flames twitter are making fun of this guy’s Kadri to Calgary tweets.

FWIW I did direct message this guy for more information. If it can even count as info, it’s third-hand info at best. I’d be very shocked if it was true and Kadri signed with Calgary in the next two days. I wouldn’t put any weight to it.

FanIn80 · 07-25-2022, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by simmer2

His defensive gaffs are brutal though...he was a train wreck without Tanev in the playoffs.

You may have missed the part about him only going into his second full season.

bluejays · 07-25-2022, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Njord

Wouldn't one of the big names like Friedman or Saravelli would have tweeted this themselves by now if this was true?

Maybe, maybe not. I think they have legit sources and at times hold back on rumors if they're not corroborated or it doesn't sound credible. Given the Flames management doesn't talk (probably not Conroy though), it probably requires another source to give up the info, which they may not be sure about. When these "family" or "friends of family" tweet, I'm positive it's nonsense. Why IMO? Most family wouldn't want to leak anything and piss off the breadwinner. And frivolous excuses like, "they're on their way moving from Toronto to Calgary" just sounds like nonsense. You think he'd move then sign a contract? And why wait until Sunday? To clearly get more followers. Go to sleep, you all will be fine in the morning knowing none of these guys are legit.

slcrocket · 07-25-2022, 09:57 PM

I would rather offer sheet Kakko as I think the potential is there and the compensatory cost I can live with. I have more confidence that Kakko can turn into something than I do for Kadri being a good fit here.

Move Hanifin+Monahan, offer sheet Kakko, re-sign Mangiapane, Kylington, Huberdeau, Weegar.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli
Dube-Ruzicka-Kakko
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis

Tanev-Weegar
Zadorov-Andersson
Valimaki-Kylington

flamesgod · 07-25-2022, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slcrocket

I would rather offer sheet Kakko as I think the potential is there and the compensatory cost I can live with. I have more confidence that Kakko can turn into something than I do for Kadri being a good fit here.

Move Hanifin+Monahan, offer sheet Kakko, re-sign Mangiapane, Kylington, Huberdeau, Weegar.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli
Dube-Ruzicka-Kakko
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis

Tanev-Weegar
Zadorov-Andersson
Valimaki-Kylington

How much is your offer sheet. Because odds are we don’t have the picks to make it work.

slcrocket · 07-25-2022, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

How much is your offer sheet. Because odds are we don’t have the picks to make it work.

4 mil costs us a 2nd.

Harry Lime · 07-25-2022, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesgod

How much is your offer sheet. Because odds are we don’t have the picks to make it work.

Discussed a while back. $4.2M costs Calgary's 2nd.

Sandman · 07-25-2022, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slcrocket

4 mil costs us a 2nd.

And a second for Kaako is well worth it.

slcrocket · 07-25-2022, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

And a second for Kaako is well worth it.

And it's unlikely NYR can match.

Roof-Daddy · 07-25-2022, 10:16 PM

I know we'll probably end up regretting it but man do I want Kadri on the Flames lol

simmer2 · 07-25-2022, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

You may have missed the part about him only going into his second full season.

Ya, but he's also 25 years D and has been playing professional hockey in North America for 7 full years.

So saying he's only going into his 2nd full season is a bit misleading.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like he would have learned to not do these defensive mistakes by now. And I think Kylington looked really good because Tanev is unreal.

If Weegar is a more reliable version of Kylington and we can sign him long term, I'd be OK moving Kylington for help up front (or more cap space)

ComixZone · 07-25-2022, 10:17 PM

I’d throw $4M at Kakko.

It’d be like the Canes overpaying for Kotkaniemi for one season. It’d also be nice to stick it to New York, even if it means nothing more than us making them pay Kakko more than he’s worth today.

…I’d also like Kadri though

FanIn80 · 07-25-2022, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by simmer2

Ya, but he's also 25 years D and has been playing professional hockey in North America for 7 full years.

So saying he's only going into his 2nd full season is a bit misleading.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like he would have learned to not do these defensive mistakes by now.

Fair, but NHL is a completely different beast than any other league. He's only played 168 NHL games (only 73 with a real NHL coach). Hanifin is the same age, has over 500 games and also makes bad plays now and then.

He definitely has room to improve, for sure, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

Sandman · 07-25-2022, 10:26 PM

Imagine pulling in Kadri and Kaako. Damn...

simmer2 · 07-25-2022, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

Fair, but NHL is a completely different beast than any other league. He's only played 168 NHL games (only 73 with a real NHL coach). Hanifin is the same age, has over 500 games and also makes bad plays now and then.

He definitely has room to improve, for sure, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

I hope you're right.

He took a huge step forward last year that I wasn't expecting so there could absolutely be more growth.

And maybe if he's playing more bottom pairing minutes and not getting as exposed to top lines he will be OK.

CliffFletcher · 07-25-2022, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If the flames didn't have kylington, we would all be looking around the league trying to figure out how they could land a player like kylington. Top teir speed, growing defensive acumen, untapped offensive potential, going into his second full season.

We need help in the top six. To get a good player we’ll need to give up a good one.

So where do you see Kylington fitting in the D pairings? And if not Kylington, what other good player would you suggest we trade to get help up front? Hanifin?

FlamesAddiction · 07-25-2022, 10:38 PM

I never really look at Twitter except for things imbedded on here, but curiosity got the best of me so I looked at the recent hullabaloo. It looks like some reputable people have suggested that Kadri to Calgary makes sense and then a bunch of randos trying to make names for themselves jumped onto the speculation hoping to be right.

Sandman · 07-25-2022, 10:42 PM

I was browsing the remaining UFAs, and I noticed the name David Farrance, who didn't get a QO from the Preds, which is a bit surprising to me. He's had a rough start to being a pro, having only 2 NHL games (no points) late in the 2020-21 season, and only 14 pts in 50 AHL games this year-but it strikes me as a little early to give up on him. He's from Boston University, and was a Hobey Baker nominee in his final 2 years, with 43 pts in 34 games in 2019-20, and 16 points in 11 games in the pandemic shortened 2020-21. He has great offensive instincts, 6'0"191lbs and is an elite skater-his game is still raw though, but maybe some time with Mitch Love could help?

That 43 point season was the best by a BU defenseman in their history of being in Hockey-East, going back to 1984, and his 1.26 ppg is the best by a D from HE in the last 25 years. He led all D that year in goals and points. I know he was very well thought of, and a highly-regarded prospect in the past-perhaps he's worth a chance? More bodies on the farm, in the least.

megatron · 07-25-2022, 10:56 PM

Sorry guys, didn't know where to put this...

The common stance is that Calgary ownership doesn't want to rebuild because of the playoff revenue -- get in and anything can happen! I've previously read (a while ago) that a home playoff date brings in about $1M in revenue, so last year with 7 home playoff games, that would be an an extra $7M revenue (approx.).

Are the Flames one of the teams that "breaks even" during the season, so playoff home games are the chance to make a "profit"? Is that why ownership always want to get there (to make any money for the season) or is it just lots more additional revenue during the season because ticket prices are higher, etc.?

FlamesAddiction · 07-25-2022, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by megatron

Sorry guys, didn't know where to put this...

The common stance is that Calgary ownership doesn't want to rebuild because of the playoff revenue -- get in and anything can happen! I've previously read (a while ago) that a home playoff date brings in about $1M in revenue, so last year with 7 home playoff games, that would be an an extra $7M revenue (approx.).

Are the Flames one of the teams that "breaks even" during the season, so playoff home games are the chance to make a "profit"? Is that why ownership always want to get there (to make any money for the season) or is it just lots more additional revenue during the season because ticket prices are higher, etc.?

The rebuild thing doesn't make sense since rebuilding teams typically spend well below the cap. The money lost in playoff revenue would be saved on salaries.

Maybe they are more worried about regular season attendance dropping below certain levels. That would make more sense IMO.