Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by AndyM

We'll hear from the players after 9:00 a.m. tomorrow.

Seems pretty unlikely we'd hear them in the next 12 hours anyways...

[AndyM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Seems pretty unlikely we'd hear them in the next 12 hours anyways...

Ha! Should've written during the nine o'clock hour.

[Mitch]

Not sure if this has been posted, but weegar updated his insta bio to “Ottawa —-> Calgary. Calgary Flames ��” already too.

[Mathgod]

He played enormous minutes on the highest scoring team in the league. Of course his offensive stats are going to look great. And of course he was on the ice for loads of goals for.

GA/60 Rel is a pretty telling stat. It's unwise to ignore it so flippantly.

He's very far away from being an elite defensive defenseman. However, the one thing that gives me hope that he can make huge improvements in his defensive/checking game is the Sutter factor.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why not both? He did just spend several years in Florida after all.

lol classic

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Most people would take Florida over anywhere in Canada, especially if money isn’t an issue. However, there are very few jobs there for the industry Huberdeau is in especially if he wants to be highly paid. As sad as he probably is about leaving there, there is also likely to be no vacancies there for him next year, at least if he wants to maximize his earnings.

The Flames really need a PR win here and they are probably going to offer him the moon to re-sign. The optics of having to jettison another star player either through trade of free agency is something they are going to want to avoid at all costs. Huberdeau would be wise to take advantage of this from a business perspective.

I am still pretty pessimistic about him re-signing, but there are a lot of reasons why he might. Not the least of which is negotiating off of a 115 point season.

There isn't a lot of Skiing in Miami as far as I understand. I have heard a lot of people with money like to ski. Even if money isn't an issue its pretty hard to find good skiing in Miami.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why not both? He did just spend several years in Florida after all.

Lol

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I could see Weegar signing an extension fairly quickly.

Huberdeau........not sure what to think. He was in a great situation in Florida, hopefully he'll come around to signing a deal as well. Very interested to hear his comments tomorrow. If he's only sounding lukewarm about a contract he better be traded well before the deadline.....if not a lot sooner.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

He played enormous minutes on the highest scoring team in the league. Of course his offensive stats are going to look great. And of course he was on the ice for loads of goals for.

GA/60 Rel is a pretty telling stat. It's unwise to ignore it so flippantly.

He's very far away from being an elite defensive defenseman. However, the one thing that gives me hope that he can make huge improvements in his defensive/checking game is the Sutter factor.

You are kinda picking out his worst stat though...look at the player card

And he was part of the reason they were so high scoring he wasn't just along for the ride

[mile]

Just send Pelletier to give Huberdeau a hug. He’ll sign after that

[Sandman]

I know it was claimed that Huberdeau spends time in Calgary during the summer, but can anyone else verify this? (no offense to the original poster)

[flylock shox]

I get the feeling - based on the flow of humors and spirit energy and nothing more - that we see Weegar locked up long term before the season starts but not Huberdeau.

The latter may not be a bad thing as it's unlikely Huberdeau's contract value can go higher than it is based on his play this upcoming season. If he does elect to sign once he's had a chance to get to know the city and the team, it might cost a smidgen less than inking him today.

All in all, if we do end up with Weegar, pick, prospect, and the deadline acquisitions for Huberdeau it's still likely to look like a big win for the Flames given the situation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I get the feeling - based on the flow of humors and spirit energy and nothing more - that we see Weegar locked up long term before the season starts but not Huberdeau.

The latter may not be a bad thing as it's unlikely Huberdeau's contract value can go higher than it is based on his play this upcoming season. If he does elect to sign once he's had a chance to get to know the city and the team, it might cost a smidgen less than inking him today.

All in all, if we do end up with Weegar, pick, prospect, and the deadline acquisitions for Huberdeau it's still likely to look like a big win for the Flames given the situation.

I don't like it, if Huberdeau wants to go into the season without a contract then flip him now while his value is at its highest. We can't risk anything here.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't like it, if Huberdeau wants to go into the season without a contract then flip him now while his value is at its highest. We can't risk anything here.

Do potentially the second ever sign and trade, if he isn’t open to re-signing in Calgary.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by agulati

Do potentially the second ever sign and trade, if he isn’t open to re-signing in Calgary.

Huberdeau on a 10x8 + Weegar on a 7x8 + Pelletier to the Habs for Suzuki + Caufield + Slafkovsky

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't like it, if Huberdeau wants to go into the season without a contract then flip him now while his value is at its highest. We can't risk anything here.

It's maybe homerism at work, but I see his contract value in Calgary dropping over time if he likes the team and the city and/or doesn't match his numbers from last season, but I see his trade value as holding steady regardless due to the miniscule cap hit a team would take on to add him at the deadline. For this reason, I'm okay with him playing up to the deadline with Calgary. What I wouldn't be okay with is failing to trade him at that point, unless the Flames were somehow runaway cup favourites - which they won't be.

I think he could bring back at least a genuine blue chip prospect in a trade at that stage. Calgary then enters the off-season set in goal and on D, with tons of money to blow and restocked cupboards. Or they just dismantle it all at the trade DL and draft and load up for the future.

Basically, I just love the flexibility this trade gave the team.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't like it, if Huberdeau wants to go into the season without a contract then flip him now while his value is at its highest. We can't risk anything here.

Agreed, this is a second chance to get a Gaudreau scenario right. The Flames are basically where they were with Gaudreau at this point last season, and this is having had a season of Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Treliving has managed to get a full season from both players, and place himself in a similar situation a year later. Well done, but don't look to go down that path again. The saving factor in this scenario was the additional year of control in respect to Tkachuk, and they won't get a bit at that apple again.

If Huberdeau is not absolutely sold on being here, then you don't overpay him, or enter the season with him on a one year deal. Hoping to convince him to stay in Calgary is bad business, and probably bad for team chemistry. I'm sure the players in the room want him (and Weegar) here, but if he's not signed this is hanging over their head all season, and next summer could an absolute trainwreck for the organization.

Management went above and beyond to create a young core who would want to grow roots in Calgary. I didn't work, but they tried to do it the right way. If neither of these players are actually energized about the opportunity to be a part of something in Calgary, the team should take this opportunity to build a group from ground level that will be proud to represent the city. The last season in Stockton was foundational for several young players, and hopefully the AHL team in Calgary can continue that trend. As someone who has lived in a number of large US metropolitan areas, they all have something to offer, but at the end of the day all movie theaters are air conditioned, every steakhouse serves steaks, and there are guys and gals in each and every nightclub. Never been to Calgary, but I'm sure it's a great place that many players would grow to love if they simply invested in the culture.

The key to long term success involves identifying individuals who are mission centric, and have the ability to truly value those around them. If neither Huberdeau or Weegar are willing to plant roots, doesn't make them bad citizens, they're on the verge of probably the last shot they will have to choose their place of employment, but it would be hard to say they would be centered on a mission of anything beyond a single season of success, and that is something the Flames should be looking to avoid.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

It's maybe homerism at work, but I see his contract value in Calgary dropping over time if he likes the team and the city and/or doesn't match his numbers from last season, but I see his trade value as holding steady regardless due to the miniscule cap hit a team would take on to add him at the deadline. For this reason, I'm okay with him playing up to the deadline with Calgary. What I wouldn't be okay with is failing to trade him at that point, unless the Flames were somehow runaway cup favourites - which they won't be.

I think he could bring back at least a genuine blue chip prospect in a trade at that stage. Calgary then enters the off-season set in goal and on D, with tons of money to blow and restocked cupboards. Or they just dismantle it all at the trade DL and draft and load up for the future.

Basically, I just love the flexibility this trade gave the team.

What if gets hurt before deadline and is out till the end of the year?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

He played enormous minutes on the highest scoring team in the league. Of course his offensive stats are going to look great. And of course he was on the ice for loads of goals for.

GA/60 Rel is a pretty telling stat. It's unwise to ignore it so flippantly.

He's very far away from being an elite defensive defenseman. However, the one thing that gives me hope that he can make huge improvements in his defensive/checking game is the Sutter factor.

I do like that he came up fairly high on the defensive analytics that Treliving was talking about in one of his pressers. Makes me think he is better defensively than he has been given credit for overall.


People often say that Brodie had issues in his own zone, but during his time in Calgary (and ignoring the Hamonic pairing), he was elite defensively. Put a defencemen against the league's best players, and they are going to look foolish now and then. It happens.



With Sutter, I expect him to improve defensively anyway. Defencemen just seem to almost always take a giant step forward under Sutter.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I know it was claimed that Huberdeau spends time in Calgary during the summer, but can anyone else verify this? (no offense to the original poster)

I think we'll find out tomorrow during the media availability. A reporter will ask how well they know the city and if they have any connections to Calgary, that should come up if it's true.