Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Considering a 35 year old Letang just signed a $6.1M six year deal?

PIT doesn't care about how bad the last 3 years will be.

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

And we all know even if we make the playoffs, we are not going to beat the Avalanches

This is a really bad answer, but the best hope would be to not have to beat them...maybe STL or someone else takes them out for us and then it's a different ball game.

I think running it back with higher AAVs on 13/19 was the definition of insanity. Current chances are still slim, but I'd take at least one more crack with Sutter and these two major variable changes. Extensions mitigate the risk.

[dino7c]

If they rebuild there will be good teams that are hard to beat in five years too

Might not get a 115 point player either

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This thread feels ........familiar.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Are these guys going to make the Flames get past Colorado? Or even Edmonton for that matter. I don't see it.

You don’t see it because your eyes are closed.

No team is unbeatable.

Especially the Oilers LOL.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Whooooaa Nellie...

Darnell Nurse and Seth Jones are making $9M and $9.5M respectively.

8x Anything under 8 is great value.

[Harry Lime]

Best guess :

Huberdeau $9.5/7 years
Weegar $5.5/5 years

Both substantial raises, in line with comparable players, and both will be covered by the expiring contract of Monahan.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I'm still partial to trading guys at the deadline. Don't see why Huberdeau should be traded before the season if he doesn't want to stay. He'll still be in a contract year and looking to maximize his performance, so why not get Mangiapanne or someone else on a line with him to pump their stats for another max-value deadline trade?

1) He might get injured, lowering his value or worse, making him basically untradeable.

2) Most teams buying at the TDL are contenders, meaning their first round pick will be in the 20s. By trading before the season, you might get lucky on a team trading their first and then falling off a cliff.

3) Keeping him means we have a better chance of being in a playoff spot at the deadline. I’m okay with being honest upfront saying either you extend or we’re trading you at the TDL, no exceptions, but it would be a harder sell to the fanbase I’m sure.

I appreciate it’s a tough conversation to have with a player who just arrived — hey Jonathan, please sign an extension or we’re trading you — but I think you can have that conversation honestly and point to the fact that you JUST dealt with this exact situation the year before.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by cannon7

$7x8 for Weegar seems fair? Give or take.

For a guy whose career year is eight goals and 44 points? No. Using Letand as a comparable? Letang scored 68 points last season to Weegar's 44. Letang has equalled or bettered Weegar's career best nine times during his career, and each of the last five seasons. Weegar had a good year with Ekblad and on a really good team. Let's not get crazy about what he brings to the table. Some have suggested he's a Brodie clone. Brodie makes $5M. Maybe a bit of a premium on that, but not that much more.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You don’t see it because your eyes are closed.

No team is unbeatable.

Especially the Oilers LOL.

Might have to dress a different goalie against them but Edmonton is very much beatable.

Zaddy and Tanev being injured as played a big role. Even Tanev playing at 50% helped boon us to a win that was snatched away by Toronto.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Might have to dress a different goalie against them but Edmonton is very much beatable.

Zaddy and Tanev being injured as played a big role. Even Tanev playing at 50% helped boon us to a win that was snatched away by Toronto.

Me and my nephew were talking about the same thing after the playoff, we were thinking may be start Vladar against them in the regular season, let Dan gets in their head.

[GreenLantern2814]

I hope Markstrom is spending this summer watching every shift Connor McDavid has ever played. I think it’s easy to be stunned in real time by some of the things McDavid does. Maybe a solution for Markstrom is to numb his amazement.

Respect the player, but don’t be in awe of him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Darnell Nurse and Seth Jones are making $9M and $9.5M respectively.

8x Anything under 8 is great value.

If a GM bases his contracts on the worst contracts given out to dmen, he’s likely joining you in the stands pretty soon.

[Classic_Sniper]

As I expressed in the other thread, I’d be very comfortable re-signing Weeger right now as I think he has the chance to pop given the ample opportunity he’ll likely receive. He may just walk in to camp as the default #1 PP quarterback.

Huberdeau on the other hand, I’m waiting to see how he plays in a Flames jersey before I extend. I‘m not 100% sure how his offensive game will translate in Darryl’s system or with his new linemates. Based on what I saw, he’s not really the type of player who can manufacture offense out of nothing like McDavid, Gaudreau and etc. He looks to be the type of player who works with his line mates to string plays together to generate chances. So seeing how he plays/responds with his new line mates first would be good idea IMO.

[calgarybean]

Rewind a year ago to how Johnny will play under Sutter. If you have skill, Sutter will find a way. More concerned about the holes on wings and how Sutter uses some of our young talent. It’s time for a few to be given a chance outside the 4th line.

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Huberdeau on the other hand, I’m waiting to see how he plays in a Flames jersey before I extend. I‘m not 100% sure how his offensive game will translate in Darryl’s system or with his new linemates. Based on what I saw, he’s not really the type of player who can manufacture offense out of nothing like McDavid, Gaudreau and etc. He looks to be the type of player who works with his line mates to string plays together to generate chances. So seeing how he plays/responds with his new line mates first would be good idea IMO.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

As I expressed in the other thread, I’d be very comfortable re-signing Weeger right now as I think he has the chance to pop given the ample opportunity he’ll likely receive. He may just walk in to camp as the default #1 PP quarterback.

Huberdeau on the other hand, I’m waiting to see how he plays in a Flames jersey before I extend. I‘m not 100% sure how his offensive game will translate in Darryl’s system or with his new linemates. Based on what I saw, he’s not really the type of player who can manufacture offense out of nothing like McDavid, Gaudreau and etc. He looks to be the type of player who works with his line mates to string plays together to generate chances. So seeing how he plays/responds with his new line mates first would be good idea IMO.

And that's bad,why? We've seen what happens when a 1-man show gets stopped in the playoffs - especially when he plays on a line with another 1-man show.

Frankly I *want* guys who work *with* their teammates.

I have every confidence that Darryl will ultimately find the right line combos and hope that some of the team will play with a mighty chip on their shoulder and take no crap from anyone...especially the NoGoods.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Darnell Nurse and Seth Jones are making $9M and $9.5M respectively.

8x Anything under 8 is great value.

Oilers management is pure buffoonery, so the Nurse example can be ignored.

Jones is an almost but not quite elite defenseman, probably overpaid by 1.5M-2M per year.

I'm not convinced that Weegar is an elite defenseman. I would love to be proven wrong on this, but 8x $7M or above would be a crazy risk unless he proves to us this season that he is elite or close to.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Oilers management is pure buffoonery, so the Nurse example can be ignored.

Nurse is overpaid by $2M a year, full stop.

Weegar should get somewhere between 6 and 7.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

As I expressed in the other thread, I’d be very comfortable re-signing Weeger right now as I think he has the chance to pop given the ample opportunity he’ll likely receive. He may just walk in to camp as the default #1 PP quarterback.

Huberdeau on the other hand, I’m waiting to see how he plays in a Flames jersey before I extend. I‘m not 100% sure how his offensive game will translate in Darryl’s system or with his new linemates. Based on what I saw, he’s not really the type of player who can manufacture offense out of nothing like McDavid, Gaudreau and etc. He looks to be the type of player who works with his line mates to string plays together to generate chances. So seeing how he plays/responds with his new line mates first would be good idea IMO.

I've read a lot of your posts and came to the realization that you don't watch a lot of other teams play. You might watch the Flames play. I (on the other hand) have watched the Panthers play a lot and you will soon understand that Huberdeau is on another level that Gaudreau will never reach. He plays a puck possession, cycle game which is how you win in the playoffs. He doesn't get knocked off the puck. He manages a PP wonderfully, he PKs, and he expecially elevates his teammates. Look at what he turned Sam Bennett and Anthony Duclair into. They just had career years with him after not accomplishing much in their careers.

Point being- he can run/anchor his own line. You can give all the other talent to Lindholm - if possible but Huberdeau will be fine playing with Mangiapane and another young center.

Huberdeau-XXXXX-Mangiapane....maybe make Dube the Center or give Monahan a shot if he is healthy.

XXXXX-Lindholm-Toffoli
Huberdeau-Monahan-Mangiapane
Dube-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic-Lewis-XXXXX

I think it's pretty obvious that Flames are missing a Top 6 Forward but they should gear it more for Lindholm's line.

Gaudreau was able to carry a line but he struggled against tight checking teams or playoff hockey because he simply was just not big enough. He couldn't "grind it out".

Tkachuk never had the skillset to carry a line.

Huberdeau meanwhile has the ability to carry his own line, elevate his linemates to perform well beyond their capabilities while still "getting his".

The Flames missed sorely a second line in the playoffs that would be able to dominate matchups. With Huberdeau's acquisition, I think they have the opportunity to achieve the depth that they sought.

With Colorado losing a lot of their depth, I believe they have come down to being beatable again.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Oilers management is pure buffoonery, so the Nurse example can be ignored.

Jones is an almost but not quite elite defenseman, probably overpaid by 1.5M-2M per year.

I'm not convinced that Weegar is an elite defenseman. I would love to be proven wrong on this, but 8x $7M or above would be a crazy risk unless he proves to us this season that he is elite or close to.

The team doesn’t really have that luxury - they acquired Weegar because they thought he was a 1st pairing defender.

Weegar has 90 Norris votes in the last two years.

His underlying numbers are great. He generates almost all his offense 5v5. He’s entering the prime of his career.

Gamble with an overpayment, not with losing the player.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

His underlying numbers are great.

They aren't though.