[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Johnny Makarov]

Still can't believe the Panthers made this trade. feels like a dream.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Great trade and a great return.

That being said Treliving can’t go into the season without an extension for these players. He just can’t risk losing them for nothing.

With these two we are a playoff team or at the very least a bubble team and if we are even close to the playoffs they aren’t getting traded.

So if he gets to training camp and doesn’t have an extension in place he has to move them.

If it gets to that point I would look at eating half their salary. Huberdeau at $3m will bring in a lot of assets, even with 1 year left. Same with Weegar at $1.75m.

Priority one is to sign them, but failing that he has to move them.

Completely agree. You can't risk having to deal with the "extend or trade issue" at the trade deadline during the season - particularly if the team is playing well and a playoff contender (which we expect).

Do everything possible to extend them now.

Otherwise (and hopefully this isn't the case) you have to rip the band-aid off and maximize the asset value now.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The ONLY downgrade between Weegar and Gudbranson is Gudbranson is the better fighter.


Weegar is physical, and the better defencemen at both ends of the rink. I liked Gudbranson, and wanted him back, but he (and Zadorov) were both very sheltered. When they weren't, they got blown up.


Weegar is on the ice against much higher quality of competition. It isn't even close - Flames upgraded on defence.

Also is I like Gud at $2M not $4M.

[dino7c]

I will walk it all back if the Flames lose both guys for nothing but I really don't see it

Gaudreau is a little different, Flames don't have any attachment to these players and they are coming off great years unlike you know who last summer

Huberdeau just set an NHL record for assists by a LW FFS

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

The worst case is we make the playoffs, don't do anything, and they both walk as UFA's. That's the worst case.

Treliving would have to be stupid to start the season without an extension

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will walk it all back if the Flames lose both guys for nothing but I really don't see it

Gaudreau is a little different, Flames don't have any attachment to these players and they are coming off great years unlike you know who last summer

Huberdeau just set an NHL record for assists by a LW FFS

Just no way Tre goes through all of this and let’s any of these assets go for free.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will walk it all back if the Flames lose both guys for nothing but I really don't see it

Gaudreau is a little different, Flames don't have any attachment to these players and they are coming off great years unlike you know who last summer

Huberdeau just set an NHL record for assists by a LW FFS

And he does it and really didn’t play with Barkov at even strength. He is the guy who drives the line. He’s better than Gaudreau or Tkachuk. He made Sam Bennett look good. If he signs this trade is so lopsided it’s not even funny

I can’t wait to see if Tkachuk gets 100 not on Barkovs line.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CFO

Worst case is flames deal both guys at deadline who will fetch each a 1st and a prospect.

Now flames have ability to get 3 1st rounds all in same draft (one being their own) plus a ton of cap space for following year plus.

No, the worst case would be repeating what happened with Gaudreau, which is very conceivable considering that it just played out like that with Gaudreau.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Keep boostering your opinion. You’re leading the league in posts!

Its not my opinion its just the reality

"Gaudreau left though"
"they might not sign"

are the best counter arguments

There really isn't any compelling argument that the Flames shouldn't have done this deal and you know it so you are turning on me for some reason.

OMG I am posting a lot on CP! good, why not

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Since when? I mean this would be a pretty hot debate
Huberdeau was penciled into the top line of team Canada for the world cup

age is really the only argument...Huberdeau has better numbers and has been over 80 points multiple times

I think it’s a running consensus that Tkachuk is the more complete player. Huberdeau lacks Uber speed as does Tkachuk. But Tkachuk is a better goal scorer and more physical. He’s better defensively too. Although maybe Sutter changes Huberdeau.

And yea Tkachuk is 5 years younger.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving would have to be stupid to start the season without an extension

It’s possible though can’t give him 8 years now. But we just lost Gaudreau and are possibly a better team. 2 days ago we were rebuilding so if they want to make a run this year rebuild next summer I’m fine with it

Weegar and Huberdeau makes $9.1 mil Tkachuk makes $9.5. They trade Lucic or Monahan or both they could go all in and be as good as any team in the league if they get some good moves done

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, the worst case would be repeating what happened with Gaudreau, which is very conceivable considering that it just played out like that with Gaudreau.

I get the impression Huberdeau will let Treliving know his true intentions with more than a couple hours before FA opens up next season. So at worse, it should play out similar to Tkachuk rather than Gaudreau.

That being said, Huberdeau doesn't have the dreaded American heritage that's so fresh in our minds to fear.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, the worst case would be repeating what happened with Gaudreau, which is very conceivable considering that it just played out like that with Gaudreau.

It is the worst cast but not very conceivable

Gaudreau was coming off an average season and was a long time member of the team

Huby setting NHL records last season and no emotional connection to the team/fans

I hope they sign him but he would instantly be the best player on the market...Flames would still have a top pairing D, prospect, 1st

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not my opinion its just the reality

"Gaudreau left though"
"they might not sign"

are the best counter arguments

There really isn't any compelling argument that the Flames shouldn't have done this deal and you know it so you are turning on me for some reason.

OMG I am posting a lot on CP! good, why not

It’s your reality. Not everyone’s reality.

I haven’t even posted an opinion on the trade yet that outlines counter arguments so I don’t know why you care so much and I’m certainly not going to.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, the worst case would be repeating what happened with Gaudreau, which is very conceivable considering that it just played out like that with Gaudreau.

I mean, you're right: that is worst-case scenario. It also assumes that Treliving is a complete moron who is unafraid of being hounded by angry Flames fans for the rest of his days.

I don't think Treliving is a complete moron at all, however. He got played by Gaudreau, but it won't happen again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think it’s a running consensus that Tkachuk is the more complete player. Huberdeau lacks Uber speed as does Tkachuk. But Tkachuk is a better goal scorer and more physical. He’s better defensively too. Although maybe Sutter changes Huberdeau.

And yea Tkachuk is 5 years younger.

I don't

Tkachuk played with much better linemates

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think it’s a running consensus that Tkachuk is the more complete player. Huberdeau lacks Uber speed as does Tkachuk. But Tkachuk is a better goal scorer and more physical. He’s better defensively too. Although maybe Sutter changes Huberdeau.

And yea Tkachuk is 5 years younger.

No, I think Huberdeau is probably the more complete player. Wicked playmaker, that still gets 30 goals. Better skater by a lot, and can also kill penalties. Also way better 3 on 3 overtime player. He’s just the better player.

[Gaudfather]

Huberdeau has spent his entire 10 year NHL career in Florida. It will be interesting to see how he responds to playing under a brighter spotlight in a Canadian market. If the spotlight elevates his game further he could top his impressive 2021 numbers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

It’s your reality. Not everyone’s reality.

I haven’t even posted an opinion on the trade yet that outlines counter arguments so I don’t know why you care so much and I’m certainly not going to.

I don't think its an opinion that the Flames took the best offer available, they did

what they do from here is certainly up for debate

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

And he does it and really didn’t play with Barkov at even strength. He is the guy who drives the line. He’s better than Gaudreau or Tkachuk. He made Sam Bennett look good. If he signs this trade is so lopsided it’s not even funny

I can’t wait to see if Tkachuk gets 100 not on Barkovs line.

If they move Tkachuk up to Barkov's line, that takes away Florida's greatest asset, two consistent scoring lines. Plus their defence, outside of Ekblad, is horrendous.

They could end up taking a major step back.