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Old 07-23-2022, 01:47 AM   #1121
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Honestly, I don't know if the Flames were a Tanev away from beating McDavid and Draisaitl let alone Mackinnon and Makar's team.

Like I said, I'm not just judging this trade specifically, it's about the totality of the offseason as a whole. Is the team better than last year's team? I don't think so as of this very moment. If Treliving can swing something for a legitimately good RW, then that very well may change my mind.

I don’t think they would have beaten the Avs but do think they would have beaten the no goods

I honestly did not see anything the quality of Huberdeau coming back, much less Weegar. Good deal for me.

The off season is not over, hopefully you see something more that you like
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:48 AM   #1122
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But you would agree that Calgary won this trade? They haven't replaced those 219 goals yet but they definitely win this trade, wouldn't you agree?
Well, it's not just about winning a specific trade to me, it's more about, has this team improved from last season and my answer to that right now is a big NO. So in my opinion, if this team was going to take a big step backwards, then my preference would've been a trade for all futures and to rebuild.
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:49 AM   #1123
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Well, it's not just about winning a specific trade to me, it's more about, has this team improved from last season and my answer to that right now is a big NO. So in my opinion, if this team was going to take a big step backwards, then my preference would've been a trade for all futures and to rebuild.
they could rebuild for a decade at not get a player this good

Huby was projected to be on Canada's top line at the world cup...and hopefully we can cheer for them again

and seriously dude, have some fun...your team just won a trade in a landslide

will they win the cup? probably not...31 teams won't either
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:50 AM   #1124
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+1 more thing I like about this trade:


Gaudreau was such a fun player to watch. Just one of those really dynamic and electrifying players that excite you as a fan quite often. Well, Flames just brought in a player that gets you out of your seats too. I am happy about that - this is an entertainment business after all, and Huberdeau is damn entertaining.
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+1 more thing I like about this trade:


Gaudreau was such a fun player to watch. Just one of those really dynamic and electrifying players that excite you as a fan quite often. Well, Flames just brought in a player that gets you out of your seats too. I am happy about that - this is an entertainment business after all, and Huberdeau is damn entertaining.
Its a good point...Flames have a star player to hang their hats on

good Canadian Kid too
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:54 AM   #1126
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Markstrom faltered in the playoffs against the Oils. Probably his brain fused out from the American's planning their return against Brad.

Cue Hulk Hogan's "I Am a True American"
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amazing sportsnet put this video together yesterday..

augh can't get it to load but heres the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7zq...nnel=SPORTSNET
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this is the trade thread
Flames made out like bandits

Ask the Hawks or Lightning if 2nd or 3rd in the division is a step back...gotta get in to have a shot. Pacific is WIDE OPEN
Yeah but if we lost to the Oilers in 5, then how does taking a step backwards ultimately help us defeat the team up north?

That's probably why I'm struggling with this trade in the first place, like what is Treliving's ultimate goal here, is it to just make the playoffs or is it to compete for the Stanley Cup?...because in my opinion, I think we're considerably further away from the Cup then last season.
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:56 AM   #1129
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Yeah. I don’t want to watch a tank and a rebuild

I also reiterate that the broken D were a big factor in losing to Edmonton

Huberdeau can flat out dominate games. People who haven’t watched Florida are going to love him
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Yeah but if we lost to the Oilers in 5, then how does taking a step backwards ultimately help us defeat the team up north?

That's probably why I'm struggling with this trade in the first place, like what is Treliving's ultimate goal here, is it to just make the playoffs or is it to compete for the Stanley Cup?...because in my opinion, I think we're considerably further away from the Cup then last season.
Seems like he is trying to win a cup to me, I really don't think you grasp how good these additions are and I highly doubt they are done
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Yeah but if we lost to the Oilers in 5, then how does taking a step backwards ultimately help us defeat the team up north?

That's probably why I'm struggling with this trade in the first place, like what is Treliving's ultimate goal here, is it to just make the playoffs or is it to compete for the Stanley Cup?...because in my opinion, I think we're considerably further away from the Cup then last season.
The Flames team last year could have beaten the Oilers. Tkachuk had a bad hand, we didn't have our best defencemen and our goalie played way below his typical level. Most teams are pretty close and we could run that series 10 times and get a pretty split result.

As for building to beat the avs and Tampa, you can't think like that, you could try and get all those pieces for decades and never get them.

Build the best team, get in the playoffs and see what happens.
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they could rebuild for a decade at not get a player this good

Huby was projected to be on Canada's top line at the world cup...and hopefully we can cheer for them again

and seriously dude, have some fun...your team just won a trade in a landslide

will they win the cup? probably not...31 teams won't either
Yeah that's fine, there's no guarantees of anything in this world. But I also don't want to go down the path of the 2010-2013 Flames prolonging the inevitable.

For me, fun would've been Gaudreau re-signing and the Flames acquiring Huberdeau. Two 115 point drivers in play might've given the Flames a real chance to compete for the Cup. That'd be fun.
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I feel like not enough people realize just how good MacKenzie Weegar is.
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Old 07-23-2022, 02:04 AM   #1134
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Avs didn't get past the 2nd round until they did
the Capitals didn't win the cup with the best on paper team they ever had, even their own GM said it was probably their 3rd or 4th best

you need to put yourself in a position to take a shot

Tampa was a post away from losing in round one...Oilers were a shot away in game 6 of round one. Thats hockey
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I feel like not enough people realize just how good MacKenzie Weegar is.
I said earlier we would be having a healthy debate if a signed Weegar and a 1st was the deal

Then add a team Canada top liner
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Seems like he is trying to win a cup to me, I really don't think you grasp how good these additions are and I highly doubt they are done
No I do, I just not sure everyone is looking at the big picture here. The top line was the main reason for the team's success this past season and I'm not sure Huberdeau + Lindholm + Insert RW gives the team the same shot in the arm Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk did.

So yeah, myexpectations are extremely tempered to say the least. I just haven't seen the material gain that I think puts this team in the same realm as the Avs, Oilers or even the Flames of last season.
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Old 07-23-2022, 02:11 AM   #1137
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If Sutter can work his magic with Weegar, we're laughing.

He's a little prone to braindead moments like this:
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The Flames team last year could have beaten the Oilers. Tkachuk had a bad hand, we didn't have our best defencemen and our goalie played way below his typical level. Most teams are pretty close and we could run that series 10 times and get a pretty split result.

As for building to beat the avs and Tampa, you can't think like that, you could try and get all those pieces for decades and never get them.

Build the best team, get in the playoffs and see what happens.
Yeah, sorry my expectations are high. S*** I wish our organization had higher expectations than just get into the playoffs and see what happens.

But anyways, I'll give Treliving the benefit of the doubt. He's probably not done.
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I think if you were making Team Canada today, Weegar might be on there.

Canada has *very* few high-end defencemen who can play the left side ...

Thomas Chabot
Devon Toews
MacKenzie Weegar
Adam Pelech
Shea Theodore
Morgan Rielly
Darnell Nurse
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Weegar is now our #1 D. His advanced stats are not only fantastic they are EXEMPLARY. He had 44 points this year, with little PP time. He does what not every NHLer is capable of, which is drive play. He's a minute-muncher, puck mover, and can play a physical game. He's just excellence on both sides of the puck.
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