[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Bunk]

Does anyone know if Huberdeau and Weegar like playing in front of home fans in a building?

[DB93]

Today people were calling the upcoming MT trade the biggest in franchise history. I think this went about as well as it possibly could have.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Flames just acquired Huberdeau and Weegar, having a combined cap hit lower than Tkachuk.

[Bonded]

I want to know the Canes and Blues offer. Necas and Kyrou as starting points?

[Classic_Sniper]

I’ll probably be in the minority on this one, but if there is no extension on Huberdeau, then this is one of the most shortsighted and desperate trades I’ve ever seen. It’s like we traded for for a bunch of 1 year rentals of a Johnny Gaudreau clone, 1 year of Weager, Schwindt and a first rounder 3 years from now.

This trade sounds a lot better than it actually looks IMO. It’s basically going all in for 2023 and if after, Huberdeau and Weager decide to test the market, then what did we really get out of it?

Matthew Tkachuk’s (extended) value was off the charts and could’ve kick started badly needed rebuild or at the very least, necessary futures with long shelf lives, potential and team control.

Not a fan of this trade. Too much risk without enough upside.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

You always want 10th rounded from the WHL, not surprising.

what?

[jg13]

not sure if its been stated yet but Huberdeau did wave his NMC to come to Calgary

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I think, at least for me, the concern is if they aren’t re-signed before the TDL and if we are in a playoff spot we will likely decide to keep them and seemingly go through the same uncertainty this upcoming offseason.

If the Flames have learned from the JG debacle then I will be happy, I’m just currently unsure if they have or not and worry I might not know until the TDL.

They could sign one of them this off-season. If I was BT I would try to sign Huberdeau to 7 years 73.5 to 80.5 million (10.5 to 11.5 per year) and call it a day. You have the cap space with Monahan and Lucic moving out and there is no logical reason to think Huberdeau slows down any time before his 35th birthday in any significant way. Worst case scenario you are overpaying a guy in the last couple years of the contract. I would say rather they overpay a guy like Huberdeau and cheap out on the 4th line than save money to sign 30 year old mid tier UFA’s.

[MrMike]

It would have had to of been Kyrou, Tarasenko, a top prospect and a first to even compare to this.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

As I’ve said, this is an excellent win now move. If this is a team on the cusp this trade is legendary.

But I get why there’s negativity. Sure, if it falls apart you can spin Huberdeau at the deadline. Weegar too. Those become futures. But the futures of all futures are at the top end of the upcoming draft and that’s no longer an option. So why punt the window down another year when you have a generational draft upcoming?

So, some sourness that we are laying the tracks in front of a moving train isn’t unreasonable. Without another move this trade is…perplexing. The group as it stands isn’t good enough, we need to add more.

Because they weren’t going to be in a position to tear it completely down by next July.

Take a page out of Ottawa’s book and overpay these guys to keep them in the fold - they’re both studs.

Huberdeau replaces Gaudreau, and we swap Tkachuk up front for Weegar at the back end.

The group as it stands isn’t good enough to beat the Avalance or Lightning or Blues, but they are good enough to beat a lot of other teams.

They have lots of prospect capital and picks to work with, plus cap space. Nearly $12M comes off the books between Monahan and Lucic alone next year.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by jg13

not sure if its been stated yet but Huberdeau did wave his NMC to come to Calgary

Did he wave or were we not on his Modified NTC because that’s huge if he wanted to come here.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by jg13

not sure if its been stated yet but Huberdeau did wave his NMC to come to Calgary

Where did you see that?

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Weegar #52


Huberdeau might have to fight Backs for #11

Please take #19 so I can repurpose my jersey.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Florida's official release just says the 1st is lottery protected.

So do the Flames get the pick the following year if Florida wins the lottery?

[browna]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I want to know the Canes and Blues offer. Necas and Kyrou as starting points?

Good chance that neither of them wanted MT for that $ or the 8 year term, so even more moot.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’ll probably be in the minority on this one, but if there is no extension on Huberdeau, then this is one of the most shortsighted and desperate trades I’ve ever seen. It’s like we traded for for a bunch of 1 year rentals of a Johnny Gaudreau clone, 1 year of Weager, Schwindt and a first rounder 3 years from now.

This trade sounds a lot better than it actually looks IMO. It’s basically going all in for 2023 and if after, Huberdeau and Weager decide to test the market, then what did we really get out of it?

Matthew Tkachuk’s (extended) value was off the charts and could’ve kick started badly needed rebuild or at the very least, necessary futures with long shelf lives, potential and team control.

Not a fan of this trade. Too much risk without enough upside.

You really think Tre is going to keep them past trade deadline with no contract?

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Nelson

With the 2 goalies, the 5 defencemen, and the 10 forwards (including Monahan),
the Flames have $13.475M in cap space. There’s room to sign a top-6 F in UFA. This is going to be an unpopular take, but I want Phil Kessel. I think he’s a better player than his reputation currently. I think the Flames could sign him for a reasonable price.

Don't forget Mangiapane and Kjillington but yes they have a better cap position than most.

And Mangiapane could fetch as high as 7M if e signs for 7-8 years.

I think Kjillington certainly gets better than Valimaki's old 1.55 bridge, more like 2.5-2.75 bridge.

We have a few AHL grads but they still cost 750,000-950,000 depending so you need 3-3.5 just to round out the team for the year.

Still enviable if played right and next year Lucic's ticket comes off (if he still wants to play give him a Gio contract for 2 years!!! I'd keep the old codger around!))

Monahan is still ON the books just one more year and still on the Cap at Capfriendly right now. He may still be LTIR so there is that however he will likely play sometime sooner or later next year too.

They can also sign the new guys for whatever works as both Lucic and Monahan are off the books by then.

We did loose two great players but we get to Booo if we want! Myself this result is why we should at least tip the hat to chucky. He showed Gaudreau the right way to be fair.

Good group Sutter as coach and as Tampa and others have demonstrated get in and you have a chance to win and we should still get in.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’ll probably be in the minority on this one, but if there is no extension on Huberdeau, then this is one of the most shortsighted and desperate trades I’ve ever seen. It’s like we traded for for a bunch of 1 year rentals of a Johnny Gaudreau clone, 1 year of Weager, Schwindt and a first rounder 3 years from now.

This trade sounds a lot better than it actually looks IMO. It’s basically going all in for 2023 and if after, Huberdeau and Weager decide to test the market, then what did we really get out of it?

Matthew Tkachuk’s (extended) value was off the charts and could’ve kick started badly needed rebuild or at the very least, necessary futures with long shelf lives, potential and team control.

Not a fan of this trade. Too much risk without enough upside.

I can't guarantee this, from what I know of Tre, there will be extensions for one or both of them already agreed to.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

He had as many points as Gaudreau last year. They were just a really good team.

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’ll probably be in the minority on this one, but if there is no extension on Huberdeau, then this is one of the most shortsighted and desperate trades I’ve ever seen. It’s like we traded for for a bunch of 1 year rentals of a Johnny Gaudreau clone, 1 year of Weager, Schwindt and a first rounder 3 years from now.

This trade sounds a lot better than it actually looks IMO. It’s basically going all in for 2023 and if after, Huberdeau and Weager decide to test the market, then what did we really get out of it?

Matthew Tkachuk’s (extended) value was off the charts and could’ve kick started badly needed rebuild or at the very least, necessary futures with long shelf lives, potential and team control.

Not a fan of this trade. Too much risk without enough upside.

The implication is if they dont seem like they will re-sign, they are traded for 1st rounders ++. One asset becomes two and you could end up with 3 1st rounders ++ for tkachuk

[Bunk]

I wonder now if it makes sense to trade Kylington, rely on Valimaki and/or Mackey for that bottom pair. Get some more help up front, or deal him with either Monahan or Lucic to free up cap space for Kadri or another centre through a trade.