[Trade] BJs trade Bjorkstrand to Seattle for a 3rd and 4th

[Macho0978]

Why is this not a deal to the Flames?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

No.

There are countless ways for them to get out their cap issues. For example - they don't have to sign Gudbranson to a $4m contract. Or they can attach a pick to Nyquist and get rid of him.

You can't just throw a free agent signing into a trade to make it seem palatable.

I'm sure they already regret Gudbranson, but that was done before they thought Johnny was possible. Same with Voracek

I'm sure Jarmo explored all possibilities, including trading Laine instead of signing him (which would have been bad for both his and Tkachuk's trade value). Or Roslovic. Or Nyquist. Or Voracek.

The problem with Nyquist is it would only solve the problem this season, but they'd have no wiggle room until Voracek is done. This also retains the ability to sell Nyquist at TDL.

IMO it would be worse for a rebuilding team to sweeten away a contract. I'm shocked they couldn't get more here, but it's probably the least of all evils.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When you have a chance to sign Gudbranson for 4x4 and then give up one of your best forwards for peanuts a couple weeks later, you just have to do it.

Absolutely no other unforeseen events occurred in the meantime...

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Absolutely no other unforeseen events occurred in the meantime...

Doesn't change that the first deal never should have been signed by any team. Ridiculous overpay ... Gudbranson is Columbus' second-highest paid defenceman and they're not getting Darryl Sutter to come with him.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Why is this not a deal to the Flames?

10 team no trade list lol

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Seems like a good deal for Seattle. I remember Mike Johnson calling Bjorkstrand underrated last year. But he is a bit small, and to be -35..I'd need to see more data to see why that happened. Should help add more skill on the wings for the Kraken.

An .878 on ice save percentage at even strength is what happened (.961 PDO is woof).

48% xGF (54 for, 60 against) and 38.5% actual goals for (50 for and 80 against) is how you get to minus 30. Bad team and bad goaltending is not a good combo.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Braden

10 team no trade list lol

Lol yep that makes sense

[Macho0978]

If Wright and Berniers have good rookie years Seattle might be half decent. They were tough to play against just lacked talent to score

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Doesn't change that the first deal never should have been signed by any team. Ridiculous overpay ... Gudbranson is Columbus' second-highest paid defenceman and they're not getting Darryl Sutter to come with him.

Fair. Especially when Colin Miller took 2x1.85.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

For a 3rd and a 4th? Quite a trade for Seattle.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550581968840138753

[bax]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Seattle can fix their goaltending, defense and coaching they might have something this year.

They’ve already hired a new goalie coach which will go a long way in getting Grubauer back on track I think

[Royle9]

Wow that’s an insane steal for Seattle
Would have loved him here

[Winsor_Pilates]

Maybe they need the picks to package in another move to dump salary??
Makes no sense otherwise

[Royle9]

Making room for Seanahan

[Flamesfan05]

That’s cheap

Could have helped the Flames if they don’t want to rebuild

[ForeverFlameFan]

Of course Seattle gets Wright and Bjorkstrand basically handed to them.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe they need the picks to package in another move to dump salary??
Makes no sense otherwise

I think they just acknowledge that they are still rebuilding and don't want to get into a cycle of spending assets for quick fixes.

Rip the band-aid off and take a crappy return that gives you the most flexibility.


I think it's possible that at the next 2 TDLs they can sell each of Voracek and Nyquist for at least a 3rd+4th (presuming retention).

If it would have cost a 3rd+4th to dump Nyquist now. The overall difference would amount to: -2 picks vs. +6 picks...an 8 pick difference.

[McG]

Columbus farther from the playoffs?

Good.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would imagine this is the best that they could find around the league to clear his cap hit. I guess Calgary still has to keep their cap space fairly open as offers come in for Tkachuk - you don't want to turn down a much better trade simply because you can't fit the other player in that the team needs to dump.


Columbus over-paid on the market for Gudbranson because they needed to help change their culture. Last season Gudbranson was a bigger part of that culture shift than I think people are perhaps realize.



Also, people laughed and ridiculed Calgary for signing Engelland to that deal. I can definitely see Gudbranson being as valuable to Columbus, and the cap has risen quite a lot too. It is an overpay, but not bad, and there will be value there on the ice and in the room too. Helped them get Johnny I bet.


I hope Calgary is able to 'weaponize' their left-over cap space during the season to take advantage of teams having to dump good players, or overpaid players with picks as compensation. Flames tried to do that one year with Feaster, but Feaster failed to read the market as the compliance buyouts destroyed that market for a few seasons.

[Kickazzflames]

Man I would bet we're are near the top of list for Bjorkstrand's 10 team no trade list right now.. I'd imagine probably most players this summer with the state we are currently in.