[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It would be the same approach of any GM coming off of a season where they finished first in the division.

They will see how things go this season before fully committing to a rebuild. If things look bad close to the deadline with no sign of getting better then I would expect guys to start getting moved out.

It's wishful thinking for people to expect them to pack it in just because they lost 2/3 of their top line. Especially when we don't even know who they will get back for Tkachuk.

Fully agree with this. I also feel that ripping this to the studs and selling the assets this team currently has would yield a very underwhelming return with where we are at in the season and the strength of the draft class this year. People are talking about multiple first round picks coming back after dealing Markstrom, Tanev and Lindholm this year but that just isn't happening in this draft. Teams are close to the cap with most rosters being fully set already.

It really stinks they can't sell off for this year due to the quality of players that will be available but it just seems like the timing is too late. Might as well give it the year and see where they sit when the dust settles.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tkachuk wanted to get to UFA as soon as possible so he could sign a long term deal in an American market of his choosing. He's basically there right now. He won't be screwing the Flames over (any more than he already has I suppose) at this point.

Except he has to sign it before next season or his value will be tanked. Currently he's 100pt player - Next summer he will not be. His team knows this too.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Except he has to sign it before next season or his value will be tanked. Currently he's 100pt player - Next summer he will not be. His team knows this too.

He'll be signing a long term deal with whoever picks him up in the next few weeks.

[PeteMoss]

Tarasenko has a no-trade clause so would have to agree to come to Calgary.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tkachuk wanted to get to UFA as soon as possible so he could sign a long term deal in an American market of his choosing. He's basically there right now. He won't be screwing the Flames over (any more than he already has I suppose) at this point.

Any player that is exercising his one chance to play where he wants to is screwing over no one.

Flames sign UFA's all the time, so they clearly have no problem with associating with those types of players.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tkachuk wanted to get to UFA as soon as possible so he could sign a long term deal in an American market of his choosing. He's basically there right now. He won't be screwing the Flames over (any more than he already has I suppose) at this point.

Unless he sees it as a worthwhile risk to wait a year (or 2, because the arbitration ruling could be a max of 2 years) and become a UFA without a broker (the Flames in this case).

[Icon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Tarasenko has a no-trade clause so would have to agree to come to Calgary.

He's also requested a trade, so may be eager to just get out. But yeah this detail could snag things.

[Samonadreau]

Do I tell my 4 little minions now that Tkachuk is going to be traded or what untill hes actually traded. They will be devastated between this and Guadreau.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Do I tell my 4 little minions now that Tkachuk is going to be traded or what untill hes actually traded. They will be devastated between this and Guadreau.

I'd wait so u can hopefully tell them about the new possible stars that are coming back in the trade. May soften the blow

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I'd wait so u can hopefully tell them about the new possible stars that are coming back in the trade. Mat soften the blow

Very good point

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Unless he sees it as a worthwhile risk to wait a year (or 2, because the arbitration ruling could be a max of 2 years) and become a UFA without a broker (the Flames in this case).

If Tkachuk had a crappy season then this approach would make more sense but he is coming off his best season ever and will want to leverage it into a contract.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Fully agree with this. I also feel that ripping this to the studs and selling the assets this team currently has would yield a very underwhelming return with where we are at in the season and the strength of the draft class this year. People are talking about multiple first round picks coming back after dealing Markstrom, Tanev and Lindholm this year but that just isn't happening in this draft. Teams are close to the cap with most rosters being fully set already.

It really stinks they can't sell off for this year due to the quality of players that will be available but it just seems like the timing is too late. Might as well give it the year and see where they sit when the dust settles.

If the Flames are willing to retain on players I believe teams would move first round picks and then some. Players like Hagel and Coleman have returned first round picks at the deadline for 2 reasons (besides their ability):

They are cheap and they had an extra year on their deal giving the acquiring team 2 full playoff runs with them.

Flames could pull off multiple deals like that this deadline if they wanted to.

Backlund at 2.6
Lindholm at 2.4
Toffoli at 2.1
Hanifin at 2.4
Tanev at 2.2
Zadorov at 1.8

Obviously you can’t trade everybody, but the options are there. Teams that are going all in the next two seasons should be licking their chops at this.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by bax

When you lose your two best players and are in the position the Flames are the goal shouldn’t be to squeak into playoffs. This teams needs a new direction- set by the manager.

A massive overhaul should be the plan and there is no better time to start than the 2023 draft.

I would much rather pick 4-5 times in the top 60 next year then watch the Flames lose in round 1.

You think that the General Manager is the one who makes the decision to overhaul/rebuild the team?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by bax

If the Flames are willing to retain on players I believe teams would move first round picks and then some. Players like Hagel and Coleman have returned first round picks at the deadline for 2 reasons (besides their ability):

They are cheap and they had an extra year on their deal giving the acquiring team 2 full playoff runs with them.

Flames could pull off multiple deals like that this deadline if they wanted to.

Backlund at 2.6
Lindholm at 2.4
Toffoli at 2.1
Hanifin at 2.4
Tanev at 2.2
Zadorov at 1.8

Obviously you can’t trade everybody, but the options are there. Teams that are going all in the next two seasons should be licking their chops at this.

I just feel that with how hard everyone is hyping this draft class we won't be seeing many first round picks handed out this year.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I just feel that with how hard everyone is hyping this draft class we won't be seeing many first round picks handed out this year.

If you’re somebody like Colorado would you rather trade away Compher/Girard to fit in an expensive Kadri?

Or trade a couple 1sts for 2 seasons of cheap Elias Lindholm?

Just a random example, but contenders will still trade away their picks in my opinion, no matter how hyped the draft class is.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

You think that the General Manager is the one who makes the decision to overhaul/rebuild the team?

He should be pitching it to ownership at a minimum. He’s the one that falls on the sword no matter who is setting the direction.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Unless he sees it as a worthwhile risk to wait a year (or 2, because the arbitration ruling could be a max of 2 years) and become a UFA without a broker (the Flames in this case).

Arbitration ruling can only be 1 year.

Unless he thinks he can put up another 100 point type season, I don't see why MT wouldn't want to lock up a massive deal now in a destination of his choosing. He is effectively a UFA today and his team deliberately structured his last deal to be in exactly this position. There is a real risk if he played this year without Johnny on a depleted Flames team that he ends up as a 75 point player and if that happens, then the offers may not be anywhere near the same.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Tarasenko has a no-trade clause so would have to agree to come to Calgary.

The closest Tarasenko will ever get to our Organization is to be Retained.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Unless he sees it as a worthwhile risk to wait a year (or 2, because the arbitration ruling could be a max of 2 years) and become a UFA without a broker (the Flames in this case).

Since he is one year from UFA, it's a max of 1 year.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Icon

He's also requested a trade, so may be eager to just get out. But yeah this detail could snag things.

He actually never requested a trade, he told the Flames he would not sign long term (did he mean past the upcoming season or no more than 2 years?) and his group is working with the flames to move him to where he would sign long term.