2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk has never been so highly rated on CP for some odd reason

What happened to "he can't skate?"

Can't argue with this year's stats but that isn't the norm for his career IMO. Also he has been a bum in the playoffs which is surprising considering his style.

He can’t skate. He is also extremely good at hockey and a great player

The two aren’t exclusive

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I wonder if Monahan would be on the block. Rags lost Strome but gained Trochek, but still need another C. They still have tons of young assets.

He's been available for some time, but so far Calgary hasn't wanted to include enough assets to move him.

Cap is king these days. Players who have been seriously injured and playing poorly with a cap hit exceeding $6M are not in demand.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Players who have been seriously injured and playing poorly with a cap hit exceeding $6M are not in demand.

Which is why you can use retention to trade such players and make them look attractive.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Which is why you can use retention to trade such players and make them look attractive.

I do really hope the Flames use retention to make players ultra attractive.

I'm actually not even sure I'd use it on Monahan - he's a guy that if he can actually be healthy and can score at a 20 goal pace he can be moved at the deadline. But even with retention he isn't going to fetch a big return right now.

But as we move forward there are 5 names on the Flames that are 2 years to UFA that if you were to retain 50% on their contract would probably become top targets for any team in the league...just need to determine what 2 to use your retention spots on.

With 50% retention:

Elias Lindholm: 2 years at $2.45M
Backlund: 2 years at $2.7M
Toffoli: 2 years at $2.12M
Tanev: 2 years at $2.25M
Hanifin: 2 years at $2.5M

Imagine the return you could get on any of those names when you have the ability to retain so that 2 of them could actually be traded at a cap hit less than $3M.

If you were to shop Lindholm around the league at 2 years at $2.45M you might get a better return than you end up getting for Tkachuk. He would be the best value non-ELC contract in the league at that number.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Which is why you can use retention to trade such players and make them look attractive.

Monny at $3M still looks like an ugly duckling LOL.

If he was a UFA, no one would offer him $3M.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do really hope the Flames use retention to make players ultra attractive.

I'm actually not even sure I'd use it on Monahan - he's a guy that if he can actually be healthy can be moved at the deadline and even with retention isn't going to fetch a big return.

But as we move forward there are 5 names on the Flames that are 2 years to UFA that if you were to retain 50% on their contract would probably become top targets for any team in the league...just need to determine what 2 to use your retention spots on.

With 50% retention:

Elias Lindholm: 2 years at $2.45M
Backlund: 2 years at $2.7M
Toffoli: 2 years at $2.12M
Tanev: 2 years at $2.25M
Hanifin: 2 years at $2.5M

Imagine the return you could get on any of those names when you have the ability to retain so that 2 of them could actually be traded at a cap hit less than $3M.

If you were to shop Lindholm around the league at 2 years at $2.45M you might get a better return than you end up getting for Tkachuk.

If they were rebuilding, yes.

Lindholm at $2.45M for two years would absolutely bring in a massive haul, much more than 1 year of Tkachuk.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they were rebuilding, yes.

Lindholm at $2.45M for two years would absolutely bring in a massive haul, much more than 1 year of Tkachuk.

I don't think they will move all of these guys in one shot...but I think the Flames should be honest with themselves here over the next 18 months.

Those 5 guys only have two years left...are they going to re-sign here? Can we actually win the cup in the next two years without Gaudreau and Tkachuk? Do we even want to give them their next big contract?

Personally I'm not sure I see them re-signing. So you have the rest of this offseason, the 2023 trade deadline, next offseason, and the 2024 trade deadline to move these guys.

Backlund will be 35 when his contract expires.

Lindholm will be 29 turning 30.

Toffoli will be 32

Tanev will be 34 turning 35

Hanifin will be 27.

Really only Hanifin is in the age group where you'd want to re-sign him to a big contract, and IMO he's likely the one of the bunch that the least likely to re-sign. The rest of them area all at the age where you can get good value in a deal still but you probably don't want to re-sign them.

Even if you just want to make this a quick re-tool instead of a full scorched earth re-build it would be prudent to move these guys.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think they will...but I think the Flames should be honest with themselves here.

Those 5 guys only have two years left...are they going to re-sign here? Can we actually win the cup in the next two years without Gaudreau and Tkachuk? Do we even want to give them their next big contrac?

Backlund will be 35 when his contract expires.

Lindholm will be 29 turning 30.

Toffoli will be 32

Tanev will be 34 turning 35

Hanifin will be 27.

Really only Hanifin is in the age group where you'd want to re-sign him to a big contract, and IMO he's likely the one of the bunch that the least likely to re-sign.

Even if you just want to make this a quick re-tool instead of a full scorched earth re-build it would be prudent to move these guys.

I agree. I doubt the Flames do though.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think they will move all of these guys in one shot...but I think the Flames should be honest with themselves here over the next 18 months. You have the rest of this offseason, the 2023 trade deadline, next offseason, and the 2024 trade deadline to move these guys.

Those 5 guys only have two years left...are they going to re-sign here? Can we actually win the cup in the next two years without Gaudreau and Tkachuk? Do we even want to give them their next big contract?

Backlund will be 35 when his contract expires.

Lindholm will be 29 turning 30.

Toffoli will be 32

Tanev will be 34 turning 35

Hanifin will be 27.

Really only Hanifin is in the age group where you'd want to re-sign him to a big contract, and IMO he's likely the one of the bunch that the least likely to re-sign.

Even if you just want to make this a quick re-tool instead of a full scorched earth re-build it would be prudent to move these guys.

Problem is that we have missed this window of opportunity.
If you are going to move players and cap you need to do it before the draft and free agency or be prepared to take ugly contracts back.

This is a great idea and plan come February and the trade deadline, especially if the team is struggling or middle of the pack.

If they are still competitive there is no way the team will be selling off.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they were rebuilding, yes.

Lindholm at $2.45M for two years would absolutely bring in a massive haul, much more than 1 year of Tkachuk.

A Selke nominated 40 goal scoring center at 2.45 for two years... if you told a GM that you wanted one of his testicle for that his reply would be "Left or Right?".

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Monny at $3M still looks like an ugly duckling LOL.

If he was a UFA, no one would offer him $3M.

Bull####. Dylan Strome just signed for $3.5M. Someone would certainly roll the dice on Monahan to have a bounce back year, especially on a cheap $3M contract.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bull####. Dylan Strome just signed for $3.5M. Someone would certainly roll the dice on Monahan to have a bounce back year, especially on a cheap $3M contract.

Strome is healthy and pretty much the same player as Monny.

The fact that a team gave him only $3.5M suggest the value of Monny to be quite less.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Which is why you can use retention to trade such players and make them look attractive.

There’s no point at this juncture- Monahan makes what he makes. They’re gonna have $15m or whatever in cap space with him and Lucic on the books.

He helps the tank. If he rebounds, you can trade him. Or better yet, extend him - he’s not a needle-mover anymore, but if he’s able to be a quality middle-6 centre, that’s still something they need to employ.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do really hope the Flames use retention to make players ultra attractive.

I'm actually not even sure I'd use it on Monahan - he's a guy that if he can actually be healthy and can score at a 20 goal pace he can be moved at the deadline. But even with retention he isn't going to fetch a big return right now.

But as we move forward there are 5 names on the Flames that are 2 years to UFA that if you were to retain 50% on their contract would probably become top targets for any team in the league...just need to determine what 2 to use your retention spots on.

With 50% retention:

Elias Lindholm: 2 years at $2.45M
Backlund: 2 years at $2.7M
Toffoli: 2 years at $2.12M
Tanev: 2 years at $2.25M
Hanifin: 2 years at $2.5M

Imagine the return you could get on any of those names when you have the ability to retain so that 2 of them could actually be traded at a cap hit less than $3M.

If you were to shop Lindholm around the league at 2 years at $2.45M you might get a better return than you end up getting for Tkachuk. He would be the best value non-ELC contract in the league at that number.

You are never going to give up banging that rebuild drum despite there being no chance it will happen aren't you?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are never going to give up banging that rebuild drum despite there being no chance it will happen aren't you?

Whether the Flames accept it or not, the window is closed.

No organization can lose their best two players, who happen to be two top-15 players in the league and just continue on. The team has been forced into this, and they’ll either do it or they’re just happy not being a good team.

I choose to hope that they realize the position they are in.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I choose to hope that they realize the position they are in.

Ha ha ha.

no.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are never going to give up banging that rebuild drum despite there being no chance it will happen aren't you?

I don’t understand how they can say “we’re not rebuilding” when they have no franchise players and their best forward is Elias Lindholm.

It’s so far beyond running it back with Iggy and Kipper.

[dammage79]

Flames can now easily trade Chucky for two young player and picks, sign Kadri, sign Klingberg, and say the window is still open.


I like options from almost all the rumored teams. NJ, NSH, STL.


It sucks losing two amazing players but the Flames have to do their best to move on with the core they have.

Lindys a keeper. And right now, the one you build around.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames can now easily trade Chucky for two young player and picks, sign Kadri, sign Klingberg, and say the window is still open.


I like options from almost all the rumored teams. NJ, NSH, STL.


It sucks losing two amazing players but the Flames have to do their best to move on with the core they have.

Lindys a keeper. And right now, the one you build around.

They could sign Kadri, sign Klingberg, get two young players for Tkachuk, and their best player would still be Elias Lindholm.

Which is not enough. There’s no building around Lindholm - he’s 27 and a contract extension won’t start until he’s 30.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They could sign Kadri, sign Klingberg, get two young players for Tkachuk, and their best player would still be Elias Lindholm.

Which is not enough. There’s no building around Lindholm - he’s 27 and a contract extension won’t start until he’s 30.

Well that's how you see it. I'm forming my opinion on the fact the Flames simply will not tear it down. Look at the track record. They don't it. And when they do it's 5 years too late.

We all want a #1 pick. Just ain't gonna happen.