[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Roof-Daddy]

1. Bratt, for salary/cap reasons, he's also a good young top 6 forward, and bonus he's a Swede

2. Holtz, high end prospect who's already excelled at the AHL level. Also a Swede

3. Some sort of pick would be nice as well, don't know if you can get their 1st, especially without lottery protection

No center though, which sucks, but that would be a solid return.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by AC

Is... is he... being bratty?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. Bratt, for salary/cap reasons, he's also a good young top 6 forward, and bonus he's a Swede

2. Holtz, high end prospect who's already excelled at the AHL level. Also a Swede

3. Some sort of pick would be nice as well, don't know if you can get their 1st, especially without lottery protection

No center though, which sucks, but that would be a solid return.

It isn’t enough without the 1st

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. Bratt, for salary/cap reasons, he's also a good young top 6 forward, and bonus he's a Swede

2. Holtz, high end prospect who's already excelled at the AHL level. Also a Swede

3. Some sort of pick would be nice as well, don't know if you can get their 1st, especially without lottery protection

No center though, which sucks, but that would be a solid return.

Mercer, Holtz, protected pick or I walk.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I love that Tkachuk has created envy in other hockey markets all around the league just cause of his pest reputation and we're going to be selling him at his highest ever value.

Fans should be pissed about Johnny, but very happy about this.

Without John he's a 7M player that will be paid north of 10 and and Flames will save that space and get future assets.

All to be determined IMO. I certainly hope you are right but the fact that we are dealing with a select list of Tkachuk's destinations tells me this is not a "highest" value situation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Braden

These NJ deals seem lop sided or more like "full value" for Tkachuk which I have a hard time seeing. Put Hanifin in and theres the base of our rebuild
Bratt, Holtz, Mercer, Nemec, 1st / 4 of 5 of these plus a cap dump
For
Hanifin and Tkachuk

I don't think Hanifin gets Mercer + another asset.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Mercer, Holtz, protected pick or I walk.

Get your boots on. I don't think Jersey trades Mercer. Bratt is holding out on them and why I think he'd be available.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Braden

These NJ deals seem lop sided or more like "full value" for Tkachuk which I have a hard time seeing. Put Hanifin in and theres the base of our rebuild
Bratt, Holtz, Mercer, Nemec, 1st / 4 of 5 of these plus a cap dump
For
Hanifin and Tkachuk

I like it

[GS Skier]

Wow the things that happen when you come home for lunch. Now were trading Hannafin as a throw in?

[Naitix]

I want either:
Brat + Holtz + top 3-5 protected first
Mercer + Holtz + top 10 protected 1st but probably a 2nd is more likely
Kyrou + Neighbours + top 5 protected 1st

I would prefer the New Jersey package mostly because I want Holtz and I think New Jersey would be more willing to give up those assets compared to the Blues

[Roof-Daddy]

Yikes.

GL Brad Treliving

By the looks of these expected returns on here he is going to get mauled by many CP posters when/if the trade is announced.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

It isn’t enough without the 1st

It isn't? Honest question....he's a 23 year old winger with 73 points last year. They may be able to sign him long term too.

vs.

Matthew Tkachuk...hes a 24 year old winger with 104 points last year, but the flames can't sign and can go UFA as early as next year.

on top of that you want one of NJ's best prospects who was a PPG in the AHL last year

.....and a 1st round pick?

You think NJ would do that?

[djsFlames]

I would take Kyrou + Neighbours without a pick.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I would take Kyrou + Neighbours without a pick.

No doubt...you take that and run. I honestly can't believe the what people are expecting in a return.

[Jaydee]

If Tkachuk's list of teams is very small and we aren't going to get a good return just bury him on the 4th line and screw him over for UFA

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

No doubt...you take that and run. I honestly can't believe the what people are expecting in a return.

If the receiving team is getting a 24 year old 100 point player for 7/8 years then you bet.

Tkachuk carries name value/recognition/pest intangibles too.

A lot of GMs want that. And you can bet on that.

Calgary can't afford to be just ripped off for spare parts here. Get real.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes.

GL Brad Treliving

By the looks of these expected returns on here he is going to get mauled by many CP posters when/if the trade is announced.

What do you think they'll get if they trade him to a team with a 8 year deal? If the value isn't there then why trade him before arbitration?

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes.

GL Brad Treliving

By the looks of these expected returns on here he is going to get mauled by many CP posters when/if the trade is announced.

I wouldn’t look to Calgary Puck for expected returns

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If the receiving team is getting a 24 year old 100 point player for 7/8 years then you bet.

Tkachuk carries name value/recognition/pest intangibles too.

A lot of GMs want that. And you can bet on that.

Calgary can't afford to be just ripped off for spare parts here. Get real.

I'm actually agreeing with you....

[dino7c]

Many of us have watched Tkachuk more than every GM in the league and most media members...I'm thrilled the hype train is going off the rails

Guy has amazing hands, good size, pisses people off...he skates worse than Lucic though and that isn't even exaggerating...the guy can't carry the puck up ice.

I think ppg will be a stretch for him moving forward