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Hockey_Ninja · 07-21-2022, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Florida Marlins can go from winning the World Series to finishing 54-108 the next season, surly a team that got to the second round can do it if they want to. Taking like that was brutal for the Marlins though, they had to wait an additional 4 seasons before they won the World Series again.

I’m willing to wait if it means a cup in 4 years

blankall · 07-21-2022, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah but they lost their best dman and goalie that was playing out of his mind.

Flames would need to jettison Markstrom, Lindholm, and and Andersson to do the same.

The Flames just lost 2/3 of the best line in hockey last year. They've already stuffed the big loss.

CSharp · 07-21-2022, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FlatLandFlamesFan

FFS have some pride we don't tank

Spoiler!

Roof-Daddy · 07-21-2022, 11:25 AM

You have to suck, draft high
You have to stockpile picks
You also have to get lucky

Flames could do the 1st two things easily enough. It's the 3rd one where they probably end up getting boned.

They would be like Arizona in the McDavid/Eichel draft.

End up with Dylan Strome

Or they'd be like Philly in the Hischier/Patrick draft. Leap frog a bunch of teams by winning the lottery and end up with Patrick while a team behind you gets Makar.

djsFlames · 07-21-2022, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You have to suck, draft high
You have to stockpile picks
You also have to get lucky

Flames could do the 1st two things easily enough. It's the 3rd one where they probably end up getting boned.

They would be like Arizona in the McDavid/Eichel draft.

End up with Dylan Strome

Or they'd be like Philly in the Hischier/Patrick draft. Leap frog a bunch of teams by winning the lottery and end up with Patrick while a team behind you gets Makar.

I trust our scouting staff more than that.

If they managed a top 3 pick, I don't think they would miss on it.

Moneyhands23 · 07-21-2022, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You have to suck, draft high
You have to stockpile picks
You also have to get lucky

Flames could do the 1st two things easily enough. It's the 3rd one where they probably end up getting boned.

They would be like Arizona in the McDavid/Eichel draft.

End up with Dylan Strome

Or they'd be like Philly in the Hischier/Patrick draft. Leap frog a bunch of teams by winning the lottery and end up with Patrick while a team behind you gets Makar.

I think the top 3 picks in this draft are all safe and exceptional. That's pretty rare.

Jore · 07-21-2022, 11:32 AM

Scouting has clearly been the organization's biggest strength in the BT era. I'd much rather go for a strategy that maximizes our strengths (as many picks as possible) than a compete now 'make the playoffs and hope for a run' strategy that has been this era's biggest failure

Roof-Daddy · 07-21-2022, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think the top 3 picks in this draft are all safe and exceptional. That's pretty rare.

And you'd have to finish dead last to have 100% chance at any of them

Flames won't finish dead last I don't think.

CroFlames · 07-21-2022, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

And you'd have to finish dead last to have 100% chance at any of them

So you think we should chase 8th instead and draft mid-round?

blankall · 07-21-2022, 11:39 AM

A major issue is that many Flames are coming off career years or are vets that are great now, but likely to begin aging very shortly. The longer the organization waits, the less value many of these guys will have.

There are a few guys who you can increase value on by showcasing this year, Toffoli, Coleman, and Backlund come to mind. Great guys to deal at the deadline. However, if you wait another year after this, they lose value quickly, due to age and contract status.

The Flames are really in a unique position this year to stock up on a lot of great picks going into a very deep draft.

...or we could just grind out 2-3 and 1-2 games and try and get into the 8th seed and get worse and worse every year.

Jore · 07-21-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

A major issue is that many Flames are coming off career years or are vets that are great now, but likely to begin aging very shortly. The longer the organization waits, the less value many of these guys will have.

There are a few guys who you can increase value on by showcasing this year, Toffoli, Coleman, and Backlund come to mind. Great guys to deal at the deadline. However, if you wait another year after this, they lose value quickly, due to age and contract status.

The Flames are really in a unique position this year to stock up on a lot of great picks going into a very deep draft.

...or we could just grind out 2-3 and 1-2 games and try and get into the 8th seed and get worse and worse every year.

Hey, don't mess with what's not broken

Roof-Daddy · 07-21-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

So you think we should chase 8th instead and draft mid-round?

Nope I think we should definitely throw our hat into the Bedard lottery of we can.

CSharp · 07-21-2022, 11:55 AM

I think a lot of you are just focused on the fact that Bedard is the sweepstake grand prize. However, people forget that 2023 is a deep draft with talents still great at position 5. There may be 2 generational players in that draft and the next 3 are likely franchise type players. It's insane not to consider tanking when 2 of your top players are ripped out of your team for the upcoming season. Yeah, keep that pride going and see how many more decades of mediocrity this organization and fans can handle.

djsFlames · 07-21-2022, 12:01 PM

It sounds like the next 2003 draft to me so we need to get all in on this thing IMO.

EldrickOnIce · 07-21-2022, 12:05 PM

You could trade several guys and retain salary.
At 50% retained Lindholm should bring a kings ransom.
But yes, remove the entire top line, plus Coleman, Toffoli/Backlund (only if he wants out) retaining on all and/or taking cap dumps plus Markstrom a couple D out and will easily be one of the worst teams in the league.
Just saying

Only problem is we already traded away way too many draft picks

Psytic · 07-21-2022, 12:08 PM

Im not opposed to facilitating a higher pick by maybe moving Markstrom since we have Wolf in the pipe. I dont think a full tear down makes sense. LA still kept Kopi and Doughty and managed to pick up some good young players for a quick reload. Something like that could work here if Lindholm, Hannifin and Andersson want to stay.

81MC · 07-21-2022, 12:10 PM

Lindholm doesn’t strike me as the type of player you actively get rid of. Like...let’s not.

Kipper_3434 · 07-21-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You could trade several guys and retain salary.
At 50% retained Lindholm should bring a kings ransom.
But yes, remove the entire top line, plus Coleman, Toffoli/Backlund (only if he wants out) retaining on all and/or taking cap dumps plus Markstrom a couple D out and will easily be one of the worst teams in the league.
Just saying

Only problem is we already traded away way too many draft picks

Yeah that 3rd rounder and 2 5ths could really set back the rebuild

djsFlames · 07-21-2022, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 81MC

Lindholm doesn’t strike me as the type of player you actively get rid of. Like...let’s not.

You don't nudge Bergeron lite out the door just cause.

Especially when he costs nothing.

Poe969 · 07-21-2022, 12:19 PM

Ya, you don't trade a guy like Lindholm...treat him with class and let him walk for free as a UFA. I mean the team won't be good while he's under contract so just keep him around.

It's not like he had a career year and has a great contract that you could retain and get a massive return on.

Have some pride. Show some class. Cheer for mediocrity.