07-21-2022, 10:55 AM
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#1001
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by mile
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Well sure it's diminished, until there's actual offers out there and they have to outbid eachother.
That Hall, Carlo, prospect & 2nd proposal is laughable... why would that interest us at all? ("Here's a few guys we don't really need or want")
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07-21-2022, 10:56 AM
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#1002
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Scoring Winger
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Get some local AB guys back plus futures. Makes the cap work.
MT for hall, debrusk and a 1st.
Keeps flames very competitive. Plus in 1-2 years can flips guys for additions futures.
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07-21-2022, 10:56 AM
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#1003
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
You are trying too hard now
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I think you are dude
I am mellow…
Are you stalking me?
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07-21-2022, 10:56 AM
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#1004
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by mile
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That Hall proposal is... something.
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07-21-2022, 10:57 AM
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#1005
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by mile
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Ugh Hall + Carlo would be the worst kind of trade. Downgrade the team and don't get futures.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1006
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Yikes, Hall has no value....
He looks like his career is nearing the end.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1007
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
I think you are dude
I am mellow…
Are you stalking me?
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Everyone is stalking you. We’re all in the same threads you are just because you are. CP was created for us to keep tabs on you.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1008
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Had an idea!
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Strange argument to say that him wanting out diminishes the return.
There is going to be a bidding war. That increases the return. How do they reporters have a job?
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1009
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
So Tkachuk's arb date is the latest possible? That can't just be luck can it?
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No, the dates aren't assigned randomly. The league and PA alternate assigning each hearing to an available date/time/arbitrator until they've all been scheduled. I'd guess the Flames (and possibly Tkachuk's agent) asked for the latest possible date to give them maximum time to get something done.
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Originally Posted by Icon
Probably something related to avoiding essentially 9 year deals, or cap circumvention for a cheap 1st year followed right away by a bigger contract behind it... or other scenarios to block GMs from being too creative.
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Or the flip side of that if a team has excess cap space today, overpay for one year then give him a cheaper long-term deal tomorrow.
That's essentially what Carolina did with Kotkaniemi last year (but they did it to force Montreal to not match the offer sheet), but they had to wait until mid-season before he could sign the 8-year extension, which adds some uncertainty to the situation for both the team and player.
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Originally Posted by Icon
If they make it to Aug 11, they have to do the arbitration hearing, there'll be an arbitrator's decision which the team has to agree to (and sign him to 1yr), or they turn down the arbitrator's decision, and he becomes a UFA doesn't he?
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Because the Flames filed for arbitration, they can't walk away from an arbitration award. If it does get to the arbitration hearing, he'd be locked-in to a one-year contract.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1010
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
I think you are dude
I am mellow…
Are you stalking me?
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1011
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CFO
Get some local AB guys back plus futures. Makes the cap work.
MT for hall, debrusk and a 1st.
Keeps flames very competitive. Plus in 1-2 years can flips guys for additions futures.
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a 100 point guy for a 60 point guy and a 40 point guy, plus a first. Flames pay 10 million in salary for those two average players and the Bruins pay 10 million for their one great player. Plus DeBrusk and Hall are both older than Tkachuk so the Flames gain experience. Bruins only get younger and better.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1012
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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I don't get the "he wants out so he's worth less" thing.
We have him for one more year guaranteed. Whether he wants out is superfluous. He doesn't have to be traded right now.
What does matter is whether he's willing to sign long term wherever he's traded. But as long as it's multiple teams he's willing to sign long term with, the best teams will have to ante up.
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k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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07-21-2022, 10:58 AM
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#1013
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CFO
Get some local AB guys back plus futures. Makes the cap work.
MT for hall, debrusk and a 1st.
Keeps flames very competitive. Plus in 1-2 years can flips guys for additions futures.
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No.
I hate that package. That's exactly how you Dion Phaneuf this thing.
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07-21-2022, 10:59 AM
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#1014
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Ugh Hall + Carlo would be the worst kind of trade. Downgrade the team and don't get futures.
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Would a move like that be enough to get Treliving fired? 
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07-21-2022, 10:59 AM
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#1015
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Burmis Tree
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon
Well sure it's diminished, until there's actual offers out there and they have to outbid eachother.
That Hall, Carlo, prospect & 2nd proposal is laughable... why would that interest us at all? ("Here's a few guys we don't really need or want")
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That is why the Flames need to state they are prepared to sign the arbitrator decision and sit on the player. Even if it is a bluff.
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07-21-2022, 10:59 AM
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#1016
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Hard pass from me. Thats like a Phaneuf style trade ie spare parts.
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07-21-2022, 11:00 AM
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#1017
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
If he goes to arbitration he is getting a one year deal and then can sign a 8 year deal with whatever team he lands on after Jan 1st but before the trade deadline.
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To sign an 8 year deal he has to have been on the teams roster prior to the previous trade deadline so he could only sign an 8 year deal with the Flames after January 1 prior to being traded if this goes to arbitration.
Unless that fell by the wayside during a CBA negotiation.
I was wrong and learn from it.
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Last edited by Reaper; 07-21-2022 at 11:06 AM.
Reason: Second Guessing, I guess. Edit2: Full realization of wrongness
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07-21-2022, 11:00 AM
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#1018
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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No trading for Americans no matter how good they are please. Especially ones on the East Coast.
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07-21-2022, 11:00 AM
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#1019
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Only if the Flames sign him I think. I think other teams can only do 7 and can only sign his next contract Jan 1st if it actually goes to arbitration.
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I think if he got traded today, his new team could sign him to an 8 year deal.
After arbitration, it's Jan 1.
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07-21-2022, 11:01 AM
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#1020
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I think if he got traded today, his new team could sign him to an 8 year deal.
After arbitration, it's Jan 1.
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No, 7 years.
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