[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Winsor_Pilates]

If NJ was offering for him at the draft, has their offer now gone lower with Tkachuk's announcement he won't re sign?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yep, the Eichel trade is the blueprint for this deal. It's nice that trade happened in such recent years, as otherwise a player in that tier really hadn't been dealt in recent history.

Good, mid-20s player.
Top tier prospect.
1st round pick.
2nd round pick.

That's the criteria.

Bratt and Holtz from New Jersey
Kyrou and Neighbours from St Louis

adjust picks accordingly.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

If NJ was offering for him at the draft, has their offer now gone lower with Tkachuk's announcement he won't re sign?

I think they thought they'd get Gaudreau as well

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yep, the Eichel trade is the blueprint for this deal. It's nice that trade happened in such recent years, as otherwise a player in that tier really hadn't been dealt in recent history.

Good, mid-20s player.
Top tier prospect.
1st round pick.
2nd round pick.

That's the criteria.



Why? It's not more likely that the package gets better closer to the deadline. If anything, it limits the options. Focusing in on the "now" of this trade is the least important part. They need to NAIL the prospect acquired. The player we get today isn't going to be better than Tkachuk, or anywhere near as good. The prospect has to be top tier, that's the most important piece in my eyes.

All reports out of St Louis are Kyrou isn't on the table. 23 1st and Neighbors equivalent will matched at the draft.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I just hope for one piece like Bratt or Kyrou. If they aren't on the table then I think the Flames hold for the deadline.

If you get to the trade deadline, it's unlikely Tkachuk signs as part of the deal, he is simply to close to UFA. Unless it's his #1 destination of course.

Tkachuk's value in a trade to Calgary is better today than when his 1-year contract is set.

And if Calgary is playing well, perhaps ownership doesn't want to punt Tkachuk for futures at the deadline?

I doubt Treliving wants to chance that. I know I don't.

I expect he'll be traded before the end of the month.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Dom Luszczyszyn over at the Athletic calls Tkachuk a "Unicorn" and says that "every team in the league should be in on him." A player like Tkachuk does not become available very often. I expect a return similar to the Eichel return.

Otherwise hang onto him for a little while.

I agree. The recipe could be:

-A good young NHL player under team control (ex: Bratt/Mercer or Kyrou),
-A prospect coveted by the Flames (ex: Holtz or Neighbours),
-A 1st (preferably in 2023), and
-A 2nd, for

-Tkachuk +
-3rd.

[Sled]

Originally Posted by devo22

Bratt and Holtz from New Jersey
Kyrou and Neighbours from St Louis

adjust picks accordingly.

I like Neighbours too much to have him come to a hometown team and deal with that added pressure.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I agree. The recipe could be:

-A good young NHL player under team control (ex: Bratt/Mercer or Kyrou),
-A prospect coveted by the Flames (ex: Holtz or Neighbours),
-A 1st (preferably in 2023), and
-A 2nd, for

-Tkachuk +
-3rd.

We really shouldn’t be lumping Neighbours in with Holtz. Holtz is a different tier of prospect. He’d be the absolute key to this trade.

Holtz + 2023 1st would be the key pieces from NJD.

Neighbour + 1st? That’s not a very strong offer. If Kyrou isn’t on the table to be added to those pieces, then St. Louis likely doesn’t have what it takes to get this done.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I agree. The recipe could be:

-A good young NHL player under team control (ex: Bratt/Mercer or Kyrou),
-A prospect coveted by the Flames (ex: Holtz or Neighbours),
-A 1st (preferably in 2023), and
-A 2nd, for

-Tkachuk +
-3rd.

Sincerely think you’re going to be disappointed by the return Treliving gets in return if that is the expectation. Only time will tell though.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Dom Luszczyszyn over at the Athletic calls Tkachuk a "Unicorn" and says that "every team in the league should be in on him." A player like Tkachuk does not become available very often. I expect a return similar to the Eichel return.

Otherwise hang onto him for a little while.

People keep throwing out this “unicorn” label and if it boosts his trade value then great, keep doing it. I don’t disagree he has a very unique, highly skilled toolbox and if there was no cap every team in the league would have a roster spot open for him. But there is a cap, he’s not going to sign an extension with any team, and more importantly, how important is having this rare “unicorn” in order to win a Stanley Cup, or even have success in the playoffs? Did Tampa or Colorado need one?

[Royle9]

Sounds like the 2 front runners are NJD and STL.

Going to have to be 3+ assets

NJD (pick 3)

Holtz
Mercer
Bratt
Sharangovich
Mukhamadullin
2023 1st round pick

STL
Kyrou is the starting piece

Neighbours
Bolduc
Perunovich (US born player though so I'd steer clear)
2023 1st round pick
Tarasenko (cap dump + trade deadline 1st round pick fodder)

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We really shouldn’t be lumping Neighbours in with Holtz. Holtz is a different tier of prospect. He’d be the absolute key to this trade.

Holtz + 2023 1st would be the key pieces from NJD.

Neighbour + 1st? That’s not a very strong offer. If Kyrou isn’t on the table to be added to those pieces, then St. Louis likely doesn’t have what it takes to get this done.

For St. Louis, my proposal would be: Tkachuk + 3rd for Kyrou + Neighbours + 2023 1st + 2nd. And that’s just based on the return for Eichel.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yep, the Eichel trade is the blueprint for this deal. It's nice that trade happened in such recent years, as otherwise a player in that tier really hadn't been dealt in recent history.

Good, mid-20s player.
Top tier prospect.
1st round pick.
2nd round pick.

That's the criteria.

Wing vs. centre is the only problem. Tkachuk will fetch slightly less. Although, that return was in spite of Eichel's health issues, so who knows. Good to hear Tkachuk is highly sought after, should only drive the price up.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

All reports out of St Louis are Kyrou isn't on the table. 23 1st and Neighbors equivalent will matched at the draft.

Then they don't get Tkachuk. Pretty simple.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Then they don't get Tkachuk. Pretty simple.

Yup, if that is the best offer then hold till the deadline

[Jiri Hrdina]

The one thing we should keep in mind is when we talk about protected 1sts, that typically means the trading team has the option to keep the next pick and provide the pick from the following year. Though everyone is rightly focused on 2023, what that does create is the opportunity for that pick to be even higher in the future. For instance I think that it worked out really well for the Sens
A protected 1st isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Icon]

I'd be surprised if we sign Tkachuk to a 1yr deal and he plays here until the deadline.

He has more value to the teams who'd want him to be traded now before he signs, so they can lock him up long term.

I think he's traded before the end of the month.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sounds like the 2 front runners are NJD and STL.

Going to have to be 3+ assets

NJD (pick 3)

Holtz
Mercer
Bratt
Sharangovich
Mukhamadullin
2023 1st round pick

STL
Kyrou is the starting piece

Neighbours
Bolduc
Perunovich (US born player though so I'd steer clear)
2023 1st round pick
Tarasenko (cap dump + trade deadline 1st round pick fodder)

Don't think it is pick 3 but if it was I would take Mercer, Holtz, Bratt and run.

[devo22]

you're not getting all of Bratt, Holtz and Mercer. I think Bratt + Holtz + a protected 1st would be a decent enough framework to work with.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'd be surprised if we sign Tkachuk to a 1yr deal and he plays here until the deadline.

He has more value to the teams who'd want him to be traded now before he signs, so they can lock him up long term.

I think he's traded before the end of the month.

It’s possible he stays for part of the year, but I think it would be awkward. There’s a significant risk the fans turn on him for announcing he wants out. Would be very awkward if he starts getting booed by the home crowd.