Brad Treliving needs to go

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I was being facetious, but Carson busted after 1 good year, all the picks sucked and Gelinas topped out at 20 goals/40 points for the Oilers (played 4 seasons).

Not to mention they didn't just give up Gretzky.

But the Gretzky trade resulted in the Oilers getting Titov.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Just like you do all the time.

Can you tell me how losing a First team all-star who got 115 points for nothing and now you are going to have to trade a Second team all-star who got 104 points is a good look on any GM in the NHL.
This is all in one off-season.
What a legacy this GM will have.

He must be the early favorite for the 2023 GM of the year.

We just keep repeating the same arguments every day.

There are three scenarios here.

1) Treliving is the man

- Owners have entrusted Treliving to run the team
- He looked at what it would take last summer to sign Gaudreau and took a pass
- He looked at what he could get last summer in a Gaudreau trade and didn't like it, and turned it down
- He alone decided to risk taking Tkachuk into the last year of his contract
- He was wrong on all of it, and the owners are pissed

2) Treliving Reports to Ownership but is the man
- Treliving makes day to day decisions, but on franchise altering moves he needs to present the information to owners
- He took the Gaudreau contract offer to owners with a recommendation to not take the offer
- He took the trade options for Gaudreau last summer to owners recommending they don't trade him.
- He suggested to owners that Tkachuk wants to stay and suggested they let the season play out
- He was wrong on most of it, and the owners are pissed, but ultimately they signed off on all the moves

3) Treliving Reports to Owners - Edwards in Charge
- Treliving makes day to day decisions, but the owners ultimately make all the big calls.
- He takes the final Gaudreau demands last summer to Edwards. Edwards takes a pass
- He took the trade offers for Gaudreau to Edwards, and Edwards didn't think it was enough
- He presented the risks on Tkachuk and Edwards decided to punt until this summer

In scenario one he's fired.
In scenario two he could be scape goated.
In scenario three he could still be scape goated, but shouldn't be.

My gut given rumblings over the years, we have zero chance on scenario one, about a 20% chance on scenario two, and more like 80% chance on scenario three.

[Flamesfan05]

If Treliving is just a lapdog then it really doesn’t matter

[Strange Brew]

Nice summary Bingo. I have zero inside info so your "gut rumblings" are better than anything I have.

A question though. Scenario three seems like slightly less autonomy than I would expect for a guy running hockey ops. I get there can be nuance here but don't you think someone like Burke would let something like this slip? Publicly he seems to have said Calgary is no different than any other team

Or do you think Sutter had more freedom (and they saw what happened) so a guy like treliving simply has less power?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I was being facetious, but Carson busted after 1 good year, all the picks sucked and Gelinas topped out at 20 goals/40 points for the Oilers (played 4 seasons).

Not to mention they didn't just give up Gretzky.

and Pocklington kept the cash for himself to bail out his failing business.

more of a sale than a trade.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Nice summary Bingo. I have zero inside info so your "gut rumblings" are better than anything I have.

A question though. Scenario three seems like slightly less autonomy than I would expect for a guy running hockey ops. I get there can be nuance here but don't you think someone like Burke would let something like this slip? Publicly he seems to have said Calgary is no different than any other team

Or do you think Sutter had more freedom (and they saw what happened) so a guy like treliving simply has less power?

It's interesting as I thought after his last contract Treliving said he's become "The Man"
So I thought scenario #2 was likely.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Treliving is just a lapdog then it really doesn’t matter

Odd ... you never choose the simplistic one line answer ...

Lapdog is a painful response to that.

No owner is going to have $800M business run by a person without controls and a decision make system. None.

There isn't a GM out there that has cart blanche.

Burke was pretty clear on that in his book and in his interviews.

If you're owner is too involved, which could be the case, then good luck attracting an upgrade.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Nice summary Bingo. I have zero inside info so your "gut rumblings" are better than anything I have.

A question though. Scenario three seems like slightly less autonomy than I would expect for a guy running hockey ops. I get there can be nuance here but don't you think someone like Burke would let something like this slip? Publicly he seems to have said Calgary is no different than any other team

Or do you think Sutter had more freedom (and they saw what happened) so a guy like treliving simply has less power?

I'm not pretending to know anything at all.

Could be any of those cases as I laid out.

Burke was always about taking things to his owner in all his markets though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Skinner, Stone, Karlsson, Duchene and Hall were traded in the final years of their contracts though. Not exactly the same as keeping the player and letting him walk to UFA.

And how were those teams doing? First place by 10 points?

[Flamesfan05]

The Flames should pay an independent company to do a study why their core players don’t want to play for them

[jlh2640]

I’m so embarrassed. Fire him.

[neo45]

Monahan outlasting Tkachuk and Johnny here is soooooooooo bad

Overall the optics for Brad are just terrible here. He doesn’t look like he had a good pulse on two very important situations and also doesn’t seem like he had contingency plans in place. His overall body of work over 8 years isn’t great and he’s now the face of a very public disaster for the team

But his replacement is very likely Sober Bob Murray. Is that what we want? And if Brad was following orders from Edwards is the next GM going to have autonomy? Doubtful

Basically I went from wanting Brad gone, to him doing a bad job this season overall, to now wanting him to stay because I don’t see a better GM option out there and things can ALWAYS get worse

Bob Murray is a legendary prick to players, Gillis can’t seem to get along with anyone, Maloney is just Treliving, Dean Lombardi hasn’t had much of a hockey ops role since 2017

[Mathgod]

I think we should wait and see what the return is for Chucky before passing judgement.

[squirtle]

I personally don't think any of this is his fault but if he gets a ####ty return for chucky then put me on the fire treliving wagon.

[Jason14h]

This may be the worst offseason I’m the history of the NHL

[DeluxeMoustache]

Treliving’s risk assessment and mitigation skills are not where they need to be

He took the promising team Jay Feaster left and has driven it off a cliff

[stone hands]

Promising team Jay feaster left is not a term I thought I would ever see someone post here without green text

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Promising team Jay feaster left is not a term I thought I would ever see someone post here without green text

Me either. And here we are lol

[FlamesAddiction]

I said back when Tkachuk signed that deal that if it walks him to free agency at age 25, that is a fireable offense for Treliving.

I'll wait and see what he can salvage in a trade before passing judgement, but if he doesn't nail it, he needs to go.

At this point, I would trust Sutter to take over as GM more than going with Bradley moving forward.

[JohnnyB]

I think Treliving probably had a decent sense this was all coming, and he decided to take his shot with the best chance he would ever have with this core before it fell apart. Then he tried really hard to keep it together with Johnny, but with that keystone finally lost the whole structure is crumbling. If he gets binned after all this, at least from his pov he'll leave knowing he took his best shot before moving on.