Brad Treliving needs to go

[dino7c]

Brad has had so many good things foiled by geography...if the Flames fire him he will get another GM job and be really good

I'm not sure why anyone is mad at him about Tkachuk though he is playing it well

made him a fair offer
blocked offer sheets
blocked the ability to hold out

Now it sounds like he is going to trade him if he won't sign...probably win the trade too IMO since Tkachuk is very good but seems to be really overrated. Top 5 player is laughable, I will say the same thing if he signs with the Flames tomorrow.

[Erick Estrada]

I really hope Treliving never gets involved in high stakes poker as the man just doesn't know when he's being bluffed. I don't blame Treliving for believing he had a shot of signing Gaudreau but I don't understand how he could not connect the dots with Tkachuk. The moment he was drafted the clock was ticking for this guy to go to the USA and I just don't understand how Treliving and others in the organization thought they actually had a chance to sign him long term. I could understand if he was a rookie GM but he's one of the longest tenured in the league and this month looks like a guy that just walked into being an NHL GM. He was defiant at the draft that he was going to get these guys signed and with them both walking on him it makes him look like a bit of a chump. I'm sure he learned a valuable lesson this month but it's not very confidence inspiring that 8 years into the job he's still learning on the job.

[CliffFletcher]

Treliving and ownership have known Gaudreau was likely walking this summer for over a year.

They’ve known they’d likely have to trade Tkachuk this summer for over a year.

I refuse to believe they’re ignorant or naive enough to have thought otherwise.

So the question they should be judged on is whether the gamble of keeping the core together for a run under Sutter was worth it.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I really hope Treliving never gets involved in high stakes poker as the man just doesn't know when he's being bluffed. I don't blame Treliving for believing he had a shot of signing Gaudreau but I don't understand how he could not connect the dots with Tkachuk. The moment he was drafted the clock was ticking for this guy to go to the USA and I just don't understand how Treliving and others in the organization thought they actually had a chance to sign him long term. I could understand if he was a rookie GM but he's one of the longest tenured in the league and this month looks like a guy that just walked into being an NHL GM. He was defiant at the draft that he was going to get these guys signed and with them both walking on him it makes him look like a bit of a chump. I'm sure he learned a valuable lesson this month but it's not very confidence inspiring that 8 years into the job he's still learning on the job.

Yeah, I'm at the point of how many more lessons does the guy needs? What's going to be his next mistake that sets this franchise back. Treliving should've been out the door a couple seasons ago, but now that it looks like his two main pieces during his tenure are gonna be gone by the end of this off season (and one of them with no assets in return), I don't see why you would want to give him another shot at a rebuild since this is what it's finally becoming - which I'm welcoming of, since I've wanted it.

He's been around long enough with franchise that we've seen what he's capable of. Time for someone new to set forth the vision of the team.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Yeah, I'm at the point of how many more lessons does the guy needs? What's going to be his next mistake that sets this franchise back. Treliving should've been out the door a couple seasons ago, but now that it looks like his two main pieces during his tenure are gonna be gone by the end of this off season (and one of them with no assets in return), I don't see why you would want to give him another shot at a rebuild since this is what it's finally becoming - which I'm welcoming of, since I've wanted it.

He's been around long enough with franchise that we've seen what he's capable of. Time for someone new to set forth the vision of the team.

You're assuming Treliving would have been allowed to trade Gaudreau had he wanted to. We know Flames ownership is heavily involved in decision making, and trading any team's superstar likely always needs to be approved by their ownership group.

I think they would have insisted on keeping Johnny and trying to re-sign him as opposed to trading him away to recoup assets.

[transplant99]

I too think it is probably time for a new guy in charge, but not because of JG walking as he did (BT was clearly misled by the player/agent) nor because of the MT situation (though he likely should never have let it get to this point without an extension/trade last summer)

Its just time for a freshening up among management. New ideas/eyes/thoughts. The team feels "stale" and just isnt good enough consistently. Conroy/Pascal can go too.

All this assumes he hasn't been directed to those two decisions by ownership and mostly has autonomy on his moves aside from $$ approval when needed.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by AC

You're assuming Treliving would have been allowed to trade Gaudreau had he wanted to. We know Flames ownership is heavily involved in decision making, and trading any team's superstar likely always needs to be approved by their ownership group.

I think they would have insisted on keeping Johnny and trying to re-sign him as opposed to trading him away to recoup assets.

Think all we can do is play the assumption game, so I make my opinion based on the results. Hindsight is 20/20, but in the end, Treliving failed to manage an asset appropriately, whether he had influence or not with the owners. I can only judge Treliving and other GMs in the league by the moves that they make.

Either way, the Gaudreau misplay is just another addition to my list on why it's justified to move on. It may have been one he was completely blind-sighted by, and in isolation wouldn't be enough to fire him. But stacked on top of other mis-calculated moves, and lack of sustained playoff success, I want someone different.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brad has had so many good things foiled by geography...if the Flames fire him he will get another GM job and be really good

I'm not sure why anyone is mad at him about Tkachuk though he is playing it well

made him a fair offer
blocked offer sheets
blocked the ability to hold out

Now it sounds like he is going to trade him if he won't sign...probably win the trade too IMO since Tkachuk is very good but seems to be really overrated. Top 5 player is laughable, I will say the same thing if he signs with the Flames tomorrow.

No you won’t lol

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Think all we can do is play the assumption game, so I make my opinion based on the results. Hindsight is 20/20, but in the end, Treliving failed to manage an asset appropriately, whether he had influence or not with the owners. I can only judge Treliving and other GMs in the league by the moves that they make.

Either way, the Gaudreau misplay is just another addition to my list on why it's justified to move on. It may have been one he was completely blind-sighted by, and in isolation wouldn't be enough to fire him. But stacked on top of other mis-calculated moves, and lack of sustained playoff success, I want someone different.

Yeah should be results based. Lack of success and current state of the team
lol at people that think he is good and could not produce because of ownership or geographic. Well, he couldn’t and can’t produce.

[bubbsy]

I won't blame treliving for losing gaudreau and tkachuk.

I will, however, be cheering for him to be canned if the approach, should tkachuk leave, is to stand pat and pretend to compete.

Maximize returns on guys like Lindholm, mangiapane, backlund, Hanafin, Tanev, heck, markstrom.

Let's not stand pat, and watch the values drop from their current all time highs.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I won't blame treliving for losing gaudreau and tkachuk.

I will, however, be cheering for him to be canned if the approach, should tkachuk leave, is to stand pat and pretend to compete.

Maximize returns on guys like Lindholm, mangiapane, backlund, Hanafin, Tanev, heck, markstrom.

Let's not stand pat, and watch the values drop from their current all time highs.

I just wonder how much of that is up to him. Ownership may make that choice for him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I won't blame treliving for losing gaudreau and tkachuk.

I will, however, be cheering for him to be canned if the approach, should tkachuk leave, is to stand pat and pretend to compete.

Maximize returns on guys like Lindholm, mangiapane, backlund, Hanafin, Tanev, heck, markstrom.

Let's not stand pat, and watch the values drop from their current all time highs.

That won't be his decision.

If your boss tells you to make the team as good as it can be so they get ticket revenue, then that's what you do.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

All this assumes he hasn't been directed to those two decisions by ownership and mostly has autonomy on his moves aside from $$ approval when needed.

This is always the worry. I never got the sense that this was the case when Burke was running things but it's clear that Treliving may have not had full autonomy on some decisions on his first contract. I understand that owners like to be involved in decision making but if it gets to the point where the GM is not allowed to make the moves he wants because the owner say wants to keep players around for ticket sales or stuff like that then this is going to fail regardless of the name on the GM's door.

[Jacks]

Everything good that Treliving has done shows how good of a GM he is.
Everything bad isn't his fault because ownership made him.
Good draft picks are a credit to Treliving.
Good draft picks before Treliving? well, thank the scouts for those.

Wasn't a big deal made a few years ago, when he signed his extension, that Treliving now had full autonomy to make decisions? I mean within reason of course.
Did that change somewhere? is there any proof that Edwards is forcing him to bungle these assets and constantly burn high draft picks?

It's amazing how many apologies are made for this guy. I'm not saying he's a horrible GM but he has a body of work and he should be judged based on it. Obviously you don't make change just for sake of change and bring in a worse GM but the clock should certainly be ticking on this guy and the first available upgrade should be jumped on. That's regardless of whether he manages to pull the Tkachuk situation out of the fire.

[Azure]

I don't necessarily think he's a terrible GM, but I think results matter, and the results right now are not looking good for the Flames.

[jlh2640]

He needs to go.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fair enough. I missed him. Dobson had a great year.

Would Calgary have made that same choice though?.

Probably not, but that's not a good thing.

"If they kept their pick they would have wasted it and not picked the good player who was actually taken." Feels like an argument against Treliving not for him.

[Willi Plett]

About time for a new poll. Anyone else who’s opinion has shifted?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by AC

You're assuming Treliving would have been allowed to trade Gaudreau had he wanted to. We know Flames ownership is heavily involved in decision making, and trading any team's superstar likely always needs to be approved by their ownership group.

I think they would have insisted on keeping Johnny and trying to re-sign him as opposed to trading him away to recoup assets.

Johnny said in the Players Tribune that he wanted to sign longterm last summer in Calgary, that did not happen either. I guess it is possible that the owners said do not sign him longterm and do not trade him. If that happened one would hope that the GM would say that is not a good approach.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't necessarily think he's a terrible GM, but I think results matter, and the results right now are not looking good for the Flames.

Flames had 4 straight first round losses, followed by 4 straight playoff misses before this ownership group decided to fire Sutter and actually commit to a re-build.

Honestly the only way I see Treliving getting fired is if he is pushing heavily for a re-build, and ownership wants to keep trying to push for the playoffs just with a team minus Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

And then the owners will go find a GM that wants to do that.