[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Dubé was the captain. Should the Flames jettison him too?

If he was involved I’d sure think about it.

Kyrou wasn’t even in attendance at the event, BTW.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by rhino

I worry about any guy possibly connected to the Hockey Canada SA and hasn’t come out publicly to say he was not part of it and will be cooperating with the investigation ……. Lol literally just released the statement after I posted this. Well then by all means make him part of a deal.

He did this evening:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549547104758013952

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Late firsts are the most over-rated asset by fans. By a country mile.

Also, a return centered around Tarasenko would be horrific. A 30 year old with lots of mileage and injuries, and a UFA in one year. Super. Tarasenko does not have much value.

Dangling Tarasenko as a rental for another first+ at the TDL would be my end game with him.

So if you don't want first round picks, what would you be asking for? A haul of their top tier prospects? Remember, Tkachuk can sign with St Louis next year and cost them 0 assets if he chooses so I doubt they are overly inclined to gut their prospect depth for too big of a trade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They offered it for Tkachuk.

Whose fate reportedly hinged on Gaudreau coming back.

So if Gaudreau’s not coming back, neither is Tkachuk.

So if Tkachuk’s not coming back, what are you getting for him that’s better value than 2nd overall, plus more.

If Jersey really had eyes on getting both of them, and there’s no reason to assume they didn’t, try and make that work.

2nd overall
Hischier

For

Tkachuk
Gaudreau

Matching 8 year extensions.

Nah. C’est impossible.

Tkachuk's value has not dropped since the draft. Your obsession with that particular return is a bit excessive.

Also, what makes you think Jersey agrees to that deal? They take on $20+M in cap space, and trade young assets? Because you want them to?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If he was involved I’d sure think about it.



Kyrou wasn’t even in attendance at the event, BTW.

Thx. Missed that info coming out while arguing on CP.

[Eric Vail]

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

The Flames could have done that with Gaudreau. They could have drawn a line in the sand and stuck with it. I have the impression they are doing that with Tkachuk.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Late firsts are the most over-rated asset by fans. By a country mile.

Also, a return centered around Tarasenko would be horrific. A 30 year old with lots of mileage and injuries, and a UFA in one year. Super. Tarasenko does not have much value.

I think Tarasenko would almost be a cap dump piece in a deal. Gamble/perk would be he has a good season and you flip him to a contender at the deadline for more pieces... Don't hate that idea.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They offered it for Tkachuk.

Whose fate reportedly hinged on Gaudreau coming back.

So if Gaudreau’s not coming back, neither is Tkachuk.

So if Tkachuk’s not coming back, what are you getting for him that’s better value than 2nd overall, plus more.

If Jersey really had eyes on getting both of them, and there’s no reason to assume they didn’t, try and make that work.

2nd overall
Hischier

For

Tkachuk
Gaudreau

Matching 8 year extensions.

Nah. C’est impossible.

Yeah, and on that date, Gaudreau was telling them and acting like he was prepared to come back. Again with the mind reading. The arbitrary deadlines? Just foolish. They get ignored, you go back to NJD and they say. Oh, well now we’ll just wait for UFA. Which they did.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not dramatic. Look at the system. Look at the draft picks. Look at the potential bodies in the system and the development cycle. Look at the gaps that exist in the system. It's exactly what Sutter did to screw the team over before he got sacked as GM and why our opportunity window was so short. It's exactly why teams wander in the desert for years on end. We're going to have start over and try to find critical mass in the system, and that only comes with drafting. But ignore what's happening. We have cap space!

Way too negative. Sure over an 11 year period (2014-2024 drafts) the Flames will have drafted 13 fewer times than they would have if they had kept all their picks as things stand now (a record no team in the NHL will be close to over that 11 year period) but look at what was accomplished over the last 9 years and what will likely be accomplished in the next 2. Sometimes you have to trade 13 picks to accomplish what the Flames did.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Dangling Tarasenko as a rental for another first+ at the TDL would be my end game with him.

So if you don't want first round picks, what would you be asking for? A haul of their top tier prospects? Remember, Tkachuk can sign with St Louis next year and cost them 0 assets if he chooses so I doubt they are overly inclined to gut their prospect depth for too big of a trade.

What makes you think I don't want them? It's how much value you are placing on them that is the issue.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

The Flames could have done that with Gaudreau. They could have drawn a line in the sand and stuck with it. I have the impression they are doing that with Tkachuk.

They could have done that but then would like like complete idiots for trading their best player while in first place and one of the top teams in the league.

If you mean they do that after the season - they probably rightly assumed that whatever they get back for Gaudreau's UFA rights wasn't worth pushing it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

The Flames could have done that with Gaudreau. They could have drawn a line in the sand and stuck with it. I have the impression they are doing that with Tkachuk.

To be fair, Anaheim wasn't making the playoffs. If they are leading their division, they don't likely make the same ultimatum.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What makes you think I don't want them? It's how much value you are placing on them that is the issue.

So if you don't want first round picks, what would you be asking for?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think Tarasenko would almost be a cap dump piece in a deal. Gamble/perk would be he has a good season and you flip him to a contender at the deadline for more pieces... Don't hate that idea.

Yes, a cap dump piece is a different conversation. I was replying to someone who wanted to target Tarasenko for the return.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Way too negative. Sure over an 11 year period (2014-2024 drafts) the Flames will have drafted 13 fewer times than they would have if they had kept all their picks as things stand now (a record no team in the NHL will be close to over that 11 year period) but look at what was accomplished over the last 9 years and what will likely be accomplished in the next 2. Sometimes you have to trade 13 picks to accomplish what the Flames did.

So edgy.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

To be fair, Anaheim wasn't making the playoffs. If they are leading their division, they don't likely make the same ultimatum.

I don't mean that the Flames should have issued the ultimatum before the traded deadline. This year was their best chance in making a run since 2004. They had to go for it.

After the season they could have told Gaudreau that if he hasn't signed by June 25, the Flames would be looking at moving on from him. They didn't have to let it go down to the wire and miss out on draft day opportunities or laying the groundwork for some prime free agents.

[Mathgod]

-nvm sarcasm detector broken-

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, a cap dump piece is a different conversation. I was replying to someone who wanted to target Tarasenko for the return.

If you read my first post, it actually said my target were first round picks. So maybe give that post a once over again.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I don't mean that the Flames should have issued the ultimatum before the traded deadline. This year was their best chance in making a run since 2004. They had to go for it.

After the season they could have told Gaudreau that if he hasn't signed by June 25, the Flames would be looking at moving on from him. They didn't have to let it go down to the wire and miss out on draft day opportunities or laying the groundwork for some prime free agents.

Sure, but on June 25th, his trade value is probably a 3rd or 4th round pick. At that point, I would rather keep the door open to potentially signing him.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

So if you don't want first round picks,#what would you be asking for?

Not to speak for him, but a prospect in the system potentially has more value being a little older, more knowledge about what you're getting, maybe more likely to make an impact sooner, isn't "magic beans", etc.

Draft picks sound nice because they can be a lottery pick and get an amazing option, or the guys you want all are picked before you and you settle. Problem is some of these prospects may/probably rank higher that a first, so who knows.