[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Please list the Canadian markets that have followed that strategy and won long-term.

Name ANY strategy that a Canadian market has followed that has resulted in winning long term.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

What is most surprising about today's news for me is the lack of actual rumours now. I would have expected some a few local media types from different markets in the NHL to be reporting about offers from their respective markets, or at least rumours of interest. I have seen nothing.


Makes me think that Treliving and Tkachuk are working on a deal. Maybe? Maybe not. Calgary is tight-lipped, but many other organizations aren't.



I guess we will find out soon enough.

Yeah, I find it interesting that there aren't any rumours about him being shopped from any of the major insiders.


I think there is a chance that if there has been an indication that Tkachuk is willing to sign long-term, the Flames want to get it done sooner than later (it could potentially be holding up some UFA negotiations).

We know that Oster is willing to let these things drag out as long as possible to exert maximum pressure on the GM. Matthew's last contract was signed halfway through training camp, and Brady missed Ottawa's first three games last season after signing the day of their first game.

This forces them to get serious and sit down to negotiate if that's what he wants... and lets the Flames work on moving him if it isn't. Either way, it will be settled well over a month before training camp.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by danny darko

Has there been any actual indication that he isn't interested in signing long term here? At first it sounded like the arbitration was being viewed as a positive, because it gave them more time to work out a deal. Is all the Tkachuk wants out talk stemming from Eric Francis 's thoughts, or is there more that I haven't seen?

No indication that I can see.

I think it buys time either way. If the Flames want more time to negotiate a contract before he just accepts his QO. It buys them a minimum of 5 days more to keep talks going and avoiding that scenario.

Same thing if the Flames want to trade him. If he accepts his QO, then you are trying to trade a pending UFA player on a 1 year deal as opposed to a player still unsigned, which has a little more value.

I would like to know what happens if Tkachuk was traded after the July 22nd deadline to accept his QO, but before a hearing. Does the team acquiring him inherit the club arbitration, or can he just immediately accept his QO upon being traded? Or does he just stay an RFA as if his QO was just never accepted?

[sureLoss]

Almost all of the major insiders are in vacation mode right now. So lack of rumors and speculation from them is not surprising.

[dino7c]

I hope other GMs think Tkachuk is a top 5 player in the NHL (he isn't) like some media do

This could be a grand slam home run... Tkachuk is going to want the 8 or 9 years...he knows he stock will only go down after last season. He will sign it somewhere this isn't a rental deal IMO.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by blankall

Tkachuk is unlikely to put up a better season next year than this year. This is the time for him to decide what to do, as his bargaining power is as good as it could ever be. I don't see him as a victim at all. He's actually been giving a massive opportunity. Career year with Gaudreau. Now the team is desperate to sign him.

If he's still unsure now about whether he wants to commit, what would change in a year?

I agree on his bargaining power.
Perhaps victim isn't the right word, but I'm saying his negotiation is being heavily influenced by what happened with Gaudreau (so beyond his control).

If Gaudreau had signed, no one would be panicking right now that we must sign him right now or trade him right now. That would still be the preference, but there's an extra urgency to his negotiation now that came from external circumstances.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I fully expect the award to be higher than QO, but not by that much.

However, they could still trade him. He'd be a rental. Same as if they trade him today.

Please don't let accuracy or common sense get in the way of hand wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Almost all of the major insiders are in vacation mode right now. So lack of rumors and speculation from them is not surprising.

Vacations!?
Don't they know the dire straights Flames fans are in right now

[Steve Macfarlane]

One of the selling points on Gaudreau sticking around was that Tkachuk indicated he's eager to sign with Calgary long-term and do some damage with his linemate.

Did Gaudreau's decision change Tkachuk's mind? Are the Flames really going to lose two 100-point players in the same offseason?

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...hnny-gaudreau/

[flamesrule_kipper34]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549519990843445249

Interesting if true, if that's not even the offer then I can see why Tre would want additional time because that was paltry to begin with.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Almost all of the major insiders are in vacation mode right now. So lack of rumors and speculation from them is not surprising.

You'd better not go away on vacation.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So, despite Gaudreau and Tkachuk both saying the opposite, despite them both negotiating, and despite Gaudreau actually giving a number he'd sign at and then not doing it, you'd have known. Send your resume in.

Put a deadline on it. Gaudreau says he’s staying, there Best be ink drying on paper by the time Gary stepped to the podium.

Especially once a top-2 pick enters the conversation.

Do the best thing for the team.

It’s not a coincidence that the rare times they actually do this, it works out.

Nieuwendyk became Iginla.

Fleury became Regehr.

Hamilton/Fox became Lindholm/Hanifin.

They would’ve bumped Kevin Costner for Treliving at the head of the parade if he’d turned Tkachuk and Gaudreau into Wright ++.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

With all due respect, BS.

"I would have known" is not a plan.

Are you for real? Managers are paid to "know" what is happening in their organizations, especially when it comes to direction and strategy of those interests. Treliving is paid to know what his players are likely to do and make decisions to maintain the long-term viability of the team. Not being able to recognize that there is a huge potential for your best player to walk is a major failing, let alone not understanding that TWO of your best players are prepared to leave at the same time. Again, this isn't like some surprise thing. People on this site, people in our media, people in other teams' media, have been convinced for over two years that Gaudreau was preparing to bolt. How the #### does the General Manager miss something this obvious? It is his job to know and take appropriate measures. He buried his head in the sand and hoped this would all go away if he could just offer enough cash. That was a gross miscalculation. The warning signs were there two years ago and the appropriate response was to be proactive and get something before being left with nothing but your pants around the team's collective ankles. He should have recognized what the player's motivations were, especially when he couldn't get a deal negotiated before the NTC kicked in, but he ignored all the warning signs. This in on the general manager. Plain and simple.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Almost all of the major insiders are in vacation mode right now. So lack of rumors and speculation from them is not surprising.

The world is truly lost if hockey media guys get holidays.

Whats next? The NHL Reporters Union??

Madness!!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Name ANY strategy that a Canadian market has followed that has resulted in winning long term.

If there isn't one, then it's pretty silly to say one strategy will work and another won't, isn't it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Are you for real? Managers are paid to "know" what is happening in their organizations, especially when it comes to direction and strategy of those interests. Treliving is paid to know what his players are likely to do and make decisions to maintain the long-term viability of the team. Not being able to recognize that there is a huge potential for your best player to walk is a major failing, let alone not understanding that TWO of your best players are prepared to leave at the same time. Again, this isn't like some surprise thing. People on this site, people in our media, people in other teams' media, have been convinced for over two years that Gaudreau was preparing to bolt. How the #### does the General Manager miss something this obvious? It is his job to know and take appropriate measures. He buried his head in the sand and hoped this would all go away if he could just offer enough cash. That was a gross miscalculation. The warning signs were there two years ago and the appropriate response was to be proactive and get something before being left with nothing but your pants around the team's collective ankles. He should have recognized what the player's motivations were, especially when he couldn't get a deal negotiated before the NTC kicked in, but he ignored all the warning signs. This in on the general manager. Plain and simple.

Why are we still carrying on with the fantasy that Treliving had no idea of the risks of taking either of these guys to the wire with their contract negotiations?

We say the warning signs were there but the actual signs right to the end and the information come out since makes pretty clear Gaudreau made his call at the last minute. And you can even see a pattern, considering he then did the same thing with NJ before signing with Columbus at the last minute.

This is just so over dramatic compared to anything we actually know. I don’t know why making stuff up and painting this entirely bogus picture of Treliving’s incompetence is something worth doing. What do we get out of this?

I get that some of you guys have never even been in proximity to a proper business deal in your life, but risk is sometimes involved. You hope you minimised the risk as much as possible, but as long as the risk is there it remains a completely possible outcome. And, I know it’s a shock, but sometimes you still go after something with big risk because the payoff if it works is that worth it.

The risk didn’t pay off with Gaudreau. It happens. They don’t seem to be willing to take that risk with Tkachuk. Why? Could be a number of reasons.

You can blame Treliving for going for it with what they had if you want, but I think it was the smart play.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549519990843445249



Interesting if true, if that's not even the offer then I can see why Tre would want additional time because that was paltry to begin with.

STLs 1st isn't a lottery pick.

Do not want.

[Sec214]

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

STLs 1st isn't a lottery pick.

Do not want.

If you're waiting for a lottery pick, then Chucky ain't being traded. What non contending team would trade for 1 year of Matthew Tkatchuk for their 1st round pick?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549519990843445249

Interesting if true, if that's not even the offer then I can see why Tre would want additional time because that was paltry to begin with.

No, it isn’t.

Kyrou: young, RFA, can be sold for a premium.

Krug: top-4 D - someone has to play for us.

1st: obviously.

It’s not far off, but it wouldn’t happen because St Louis weakens themselves and they fancy themselves contenders.

They need Krug and Kyrou. Taking them out and replacing them with Tkachuk is a lateral move at best.

I don’t want any active NHL players part of a trade from St Louis who aren’t pure cap dumps. I want their prospect capital.

Any offer that doesn’t include Zachary Bolduc is a non-starter.